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Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Mon 08 Jun, 2015 5:11 pm
by Overlandman
Just posting this so someone else doesn't make the same mistake
If you have Fire, Gas or a Stove going make sure the room is ventilated. :(

From ABC

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-08/t ... ection=nsw

Heater fumes have been blamed for killing a Sydney couple who were staying in a makeshift cabin on a weekend holiday near the Blue Mountains.

Police said a relative discovered the bodies of the man and woman in the converted shipping container at Kurrajong early this morning.

"It appears they had some sort of makeshift heater inside the cabin and there wasn't any ventilation, and as a result of that they may have asphyxiated from carbon monoxide poisoning," Inspector Suzanne Rode-Sanders from Hawkesbury Police said.

She said the pair, who were aged in their early thirties and had been together for a couple of years, were staying with the woman's sister and her husband and children, and a family member discovered the bodies.

"They were with other family members at the time so as you can appreciate it's a horrific incident, especially for one of the relatives to walk in to," she said.

"Our thoughts go out to the family – it's very, very tragic."
Police investigate deaths at Kurrajong

The cabin is made of three steel containers that have been converted into rooms.

"A couple and their children were in one container and the deceased couple were in another, so completely separate from the two but side by side," Inspector Rode-Sanders said.

Neighbour Steve Bellamy said the couple who owned the property were also from Sydney and travelled up for visits.

"He put a couple of container cabins down there, all lined and everything, but he put those down there just to stay overnight," he said.

"They're just shipping containers but they're all fully lined; [they have] windows in them, bars on the windows.

"That's the trouble with them – once you shut the door you're probably in a bit of a sealed environment.

"If they had a fire going inside, that would have done it. It's a bit of a shock, really, it's just really hard to fathom.

"I tell people if they have a fire … [or] a gas oven inside, a stove, anything like that, you never have the doors shut.

"You might say it's cold, but you've got to have a window open."

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Mon 08 Jun, 2015 5:34 pm
by Zone-5
Building regulations state that if shipping containers are to be used as some form of accommodation then they must be fitted with air vents. I guess in this situation the station owner did not get his trekker hut council approved or inspected. Not good!

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Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Mon 08 Jun, 2015 5:39 pm
by hobbitle
Those cabins look pretty dodgy. Inclined to agree with the above, that the accommodation has probably not passed certain regulations.


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Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Mon 08 Jun, 2015 6:22 pm
by Lindsay
It is harsh to say it, but this couple have made themselves Darwin Award candidates for using a fuel stove in a sealed environment.

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Mon 08 Jun, 2015 7:07 pm
by DanShell
Its a terrible thing to happen and has happened down here in the past in caravans. Its easy to judge others or the actions of others but sometimes its an easy thing to misjudge or simply have no idea of the dangers when using gas stoves/heaters etc.

I feel for the families.

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Mon 08 Jun, 2015 8:12 pm
by Gadgetgeek
having been nearly gassed out on more than a couple of occasions (idling vehicles with leaky exhaust, workshops, etc) Dumb might be the setup, but its really easy when your head starts feeling blurry to put it down to just being a bit tired. Add it to a late evening or a drink, and you wouldn't even know what hit ya. I know what it feels like, and even still Its caught up with me. Vents may not be enough either, if the concentration of CO sits high enough for long enough it can do you in, even if you are also getting "fresh air"
Sad all around, and avoidable, but I would not be surprised if that was their first experience with a gas heater, It's not like you guys live in a place where everyone has a central furnace system, and have CO detectors in their homes. people don't think about it, because its not on the daily radar, unlike the smoke detector that tells you the toast is done.

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Tue 09 Jun, 2015 1:05 am
by Zone-5
I saw the news report tonight about this and the containers had widows and doors you could open ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-08/t ... ey/6528930

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...and the heater/fire was wood chips burning in a big old saucepan placed on the floor inside the container.

Even the owner said that once the doors and windows were closed you would be in an air tight situation as the containers had no separate air vents! They speculated that it was carbon monoxide poisoning which is odorless and undetectable that got them while they slept.

Very very sad!

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Tue 09 Jun, 2015 1:55 am
by John Lawless
The dangers of CO Poisoning are many and often massively misunderstood.

I found this really cool resource about it after having a scare when I was out camping last summer.

http://www.thesilentkiller.co.uk/

It's got all the UK emergency numbers and stuff on, but carbon monoxide doesn't discriminate and I am sure you will find the details interesting wherever you are.

Stay safe and be CO aware! :D

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Tue 09 Jun, 2015 10:54 am
by north-north-west
One more justification for my always keeping a window open.

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Tue 09 Jun, 2015 1:14 pm
by Zone-5
These 'CO alarms' and signs should be as common as 'smoke detectors' especially in camping huts and closed shelters... :!:

http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-impr ... tector.htm

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I have a 'Nest Protect', WiFi-enabled smoke/carbon monoxide detectors in my home and I take one camping with me as it is Wi-Fi linked to my iPhone for warnings and additional alarms...

Photoelectric smoke sensor
Carbon monoxide sensor
Heat sensor
Three activity sensors
Ambient light sensor
Humidity sensor

https://nest.com/smoke-co-alarm/life-with-nest-protect/

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Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Tue 09 Jun, 2015 4:38 pm
by Travis22
Wow, a pot with smoldering woodchips! One would think the room most have been filled with smoke??

When i purchased a Metholated spirits heater to use in our canvas touring tent i bought one of these Quell CO Alarms and always have it with us if the heater is used.

http://www.quell.com.au/collections/car ... ide-alarms

(Ours is the one with the digital display - purchased from the local officeworks).

Travis.

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Tue 09 Jun, 2015 4:48 pm
by Zone-5
Fantastic link there... :D

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Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Tue 09 Jun, 2015 5:12 pm
by RonK
Mispost.

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Sun 19 Jul, 2015 9:14 am
by Overlandman
Sadly another one

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-18/m ... ection=nsw

A man has died in Sydney's west from suspected carbon monoxide poisoning, with police finding heat beads and an electric heater next to his bed.

The 29-year-old man was found in his bedroom by his brother on Friday in the Greystanes home.

The brother and a friend took the man to Westmead Hospital after trying to rouse him, but he could not be revived.

Forensic specialists examining the home found a frying pan full of heat beads next to an electric heater.

NSW Police Acting Inspector Jim Powers said it is believed the man had been trying to heat the room.

"It appears that some noxious gases were emitted by the heat beads and the male was overcome and unfortunately passed away," he said.

"They're the BBQ heat beads that are for external use only."

Acting Inspector Powers said while there were other people in the property, the man was in a closed bedroom on his own.

"Police would like to remind the community that any sort of external heater or BBQ aids should definitely not be used indoors, and especially not within a confined space," he said.

"These sorts of appliances and substances can emit noxious and dangerous gases which can obviously cause death or serious injury.

"At this stage it appears that the victim was overcome by some of these gases and police believe that this may have caused his death."

A post-mortem will be conducted and a report will be prepared for the coroner.

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Sun 19 Jul, 2015 4:25 pm
by walkabout
So sad.

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Sun 19 Jul, 2015 4:43 pm
by wayno
whole family just killed in NZ.

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Sun 19 Jul, 2015 4:54 pm
by GPSGuided
430 CO poisoning deaths occur in the US per year on average (1999-2010).
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6303a6.htm

I'd expect this number to dramatically increase around the globe, especially in 3rd world countries. Something so basic to so many that gets forgotten when there aren't the housing facilities.

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Sun 19 Jul, 2015 8:50 pm
by perfectlydark
Heat beads in a frypan near his bed? Doesnt sound like he was trying to warm up...

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Sun 19 Jul, 2015 9:22 pm
by corvus
perfectlydark wrote:Heat beads in a frypan near his bed? Doesnt sound like he was trying to warm up...


I suspect a low intellect sadly may have been the cause of this ,who are we to judge :?:

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Mon 20 Jul, 2015 4:19 pm
by perfectlydark
Just a niggling feeling. Hopefully it was ignorance...

Re: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

PostPosted: Mon 20 Jul, 2015 6:09 pm
by Gadgetgeek
People don't think of it. first cold snap in canada is when a lot of people find out their heater is faulty and the CO detector is dead. Its sad. Given that I've heard from fire-fighters that have gotten knocked down going into CO contaminated houses, as well as paramedics, If its not in your mind right off the top, not much is on your mind pretty shortly. Its sad that people go that way.