Hammocks !

[mattmacman]

Hey guys thanks for the info ive got a couple more questions, ive decided to go with one of the Hennessy hammocks as i like the entry and the ide of the snake skins, hennessy offers a standard parrallelogram silnylon tarp, but recently they offer a free upgrade to a polyester hex fly, the hex fly is alott larger than the standard fly and i immediately decided on the hex fly, then i noticed they offer a upgrade of $70 to the hex fly in sil nylon, the sil nylon is only 150 grams lighter, ive also read that sil nylon stretches at night and results in a flapping fly, is it worth it? Secondly does anyone have any suggestions for guy lines, stakes and how to tension the guy lines, are line loc's any good? Also what sort of rigging can i use for my hammock?

[ULWalkingPhil]

Check out whoopieslings.com. For you rigging. Yes silnylon does go loose when wet. Not really a problem, I just make certain I pitch my silnylon tent tight when first pitched. Silnylon stretches a lot. What a lot are starting to do now, so I've read on a hammock forum is adding stretchers to there tarp lines as shown in the link I posted above. I've ordered the tarp guy lines with the stretchers from the link shown here, as well as the whoopee slings and the tarp ridge line.

What turned me off Hennesy hammocks, I was considering purchasing one. Freight is very high yo Australia and I didn't like the entry. Also from what I have read on hammock forum, many have found the fly supplied to small, and have had to purchase a after market tarp. You should be fine with the hex tarp on the Hennesy,

[mattmacman]

Postage for the hex and the hammock are $60 US so im not too shocked, seeying the hex fly its definetly a no brainer i agree though those parallelogram flys are pretty average, also looking at the entrys i think i prefer the hennessy. Anyone with hammocking experience is it neccesary to have a underquilt at 0 degrees if i use my -18 bag a silk liner and thermals?

[ULWalkingPhil]

Freight for my blackbird, Superfly and UQ from Warbonnet: $35.00 US.

If only they would post. Still waiting for confirmation for my order to be dispatched, don't understand it, if they have in stock, why wait a week before posting?

[ULWalkingPhil]

Woke up to find a shipping confirmation for my order from Warbonnet, It's on it's way. Very happy now. That means I will be taking it on the Conondale Great Walk, I'll be solo, the longest hike solo, looking forward to it. Followed by a bushwalking pilgrimage nearby run by the Sunshine Coast Bushwalking Club. I'm certain I'll probably get lots of questions asked at the campsite during the pilgrimage in regards to hammock camping. Some will probably think I'm looney. I've already got that impression when I mentioned to the local club members last Sunday on our day hike. I'll just have to prove them wrong.

[forest]

Anyone with hammocking experience is it neccesary to have a underquilt at 0 degrees if i use my -18 bag a silk liner and thermals?

It can depend on what type of bag you have, Is it down or synthetic ???
Down will compress nearly completely, synthetic will not be as bad but will still not get you even close to the bags rating.

The issue is the compression of the insulation when you lay in the hammock. It will compress a large amount of your loft as the hammock wraps right up around your sides and shoulders.
This is the reason why an underquilt (UQ) is on the outside of the hammock as the loft isn't or shouldn't be compressed when your in the hammock.
For 0°C you "will" want something under you, Even a thermarest or CCF mat will work wonders.
With a 500mm wide mat the issue can be your shoulders, try a mat lengthways in the hammock with a second piece across underneath that is long enough to wrap up to your shoulders. (Bit like a cross)

My limit for nothing underneath me is about a nightly low of 25°C
It's the breathability of the hammock material that allows air to circulate through that will make you cold.
You cannot come to any equalibrium with moving air throughout the night and it gets very cold.

I must say though on a really hot summers day and night nothing will beat a hammock for the coolness of airflow, I'm sure we have all roasted in a tent on the hot nights

Underquilts are much more comfy compared to mats, Been there done that...... Now I have two sets of designated hammock quilts, One set that will get me to just above freezing and another set that will go down to about -10°C.

[ULWalkingPhil]

Hi forest.

That's not my question. I don't own a -18 bag. If I did I'll be roasted. My bag is a -4 and I find it to warm. Can't imagine laying in a -18 bag. Maybe if I lived down south yes, but up here in QLD. You would roast in that bag. Well, I would, and personally I can't stand liners. Never tried them till I purchased my first down bag a few months ago, what a nightmare that was. You certainly have me mixed up with someone else.

I've still found your post here very interesting reading. I'm sure the person that asked this question will learn a lot.

[forest]

Sorry Phillipsart, I did "quote" Mattmacman's quesion but am unsure why the post is listed as being quoted from you ????

[ULWalkingPhil]

I purchased some 4mm shock cord today for my SuperFly to use on the door ends and the pull outs, What do you use to connect the shock cord to the tarp and pegs?

Hi forest, strange it placed my name instead of Mattmacman's name. I still don't know how you guy's can use liners, I hated it the first few nights I tried it. I wear merino longs top and bottom instead of a liner.

[mattmacman]

I have to agree it flushes the whole point of the zipper away and i imagine when hammocking that could be a pain to get it off =O Also i just got my -18 bag and i was hoping to get a three season quilt that could also work as a underquilt i was looking at the thermarest down quilt (its rated to 35 degrees farenheit).

[ULWalkingPhil]

I just been told by the Warbonnet guy, that the Tarp Ridge Line with the Prusiks and the Guy line tensioners I purchased from whoopieslings.com are useless on the Superfly. The prusiks slip to easily and you can not get enough tightness on the Tarp because of the slippage and the same with the Tarp guy lines with the tensioners. Was told you need to get about 30 pounds of pressure on the Superfly Tarp to set it up correctly on the guy lines, as soon you put this much pressure on, the prusik knots slip. Because the Tarp Guy line tensioners also has a Prusik knots, they slip before you can tighten the tarp as it should be.

Has anyone found this to be the case with any of the silnylon tarps?

[mattmacman]

I may be interested in purchasing them from you if there compatiable with a hennessy explorer ultralite and you explain to me how to use them !

[ULWalkingPhil]

I may be interested in purchasing them from you if there compatiable with a hennessy explorer ultralite and you explain to me how to use them !

I'll try them out first on my hammock, I think the Tarp guy lines I can use without the prusik knots, the tarp ridge line I'm not so sure. If they don't work out for me, I'll let you know. Still waiting for all items to arrive.

[Marwood]

I'm assuming you bought a continuous ridgeline setup from Whoopieslings.com? If so, you can use the lines and the hardware to make separate ridgeline ties for each end. One with the Knot bone on it and the other with the Fig 9. You can then fix one end of the tarp in place with the Knot bone, and tension the other end with the Fig 9. There's a bit of a fiddle factor to the get the tarp centered over the hammock, but with the coverage of the Superfly it shouldn't be an issue. My Warbonnet Edge tarp is a bit shorter and only overlaps each end of the Blackbird hammock by six or eight inches, so it needs to be carefully positioned - but IIRC the Superfly is a foot longer than the Edge.

I can confirm that you really do need to stretch out the Warbonnet silnylon tarps pretty tight like Brandon says. Because of the stretch of wet silnylon, tarp tensioners for the side guylines are pretty much essential if it rains - unless you have a liking for getting up and tightening the guylines in the dark and wet like the tenting folks do .

[forest]

I just been told by the Warbonnet guy, that the Tarp Ridge Line with the Prusiks and the Guy line tensioners I purchased from whoopieslings.com are useless on the Superfly

Mmm I'd be trying them first.

I run that same continuous tarp ridgeline setup on both my tarps without an issue. If the prussiks slip on the ridgeline.... Just add another wrap in the prussik knot and that will increase the holding load.
One of my tarps is a cuben and the other SpinnUL so the don't stretch but I still crank them down pretty hard without issue.

[Stuntman]

I ordered some of the dutch clips and flyz to do a continuous tarp ridgeline setup for my superfly.

[Marwood]

I run that same continuous tarp ridgeline setup on both my tarps without an issue.

What sort of cord do you use for the continuous ridgeline? I've been planning on swapping out the heavy-ish cord that I use for the continuous ridgeline for my DD tarp (PU-coated polyester) with Zing-It, but I wasn't sure if prussiks would hold on it since it's kind of slippery and narrow in diameter. But that tarp it doesn't seem to need to be stretched as tight as the silnylon ones. Of course, the DD tarp weighs about as much as about three of your cuben tarps would, but then cuben lightens your wallet as much as it lightens your backpack.

[forest]

Hi Marwood

You've seen my cuben tarp at the last HF group hang at crosslands.........

The main ridgeline for the tarp is 2.2mm zing it with 1.8mm zing it prussiks. I do run 4 wraps on the prussiks though for the extra holding power.

Oh yes my wallet has been know to be very very empty shhh don't tell my wife...

[Marwood]

You've seen my cuben tarp at the last HF group hang at crosslands

For sure, and I'm still suffering from a severe case of "Cuben envy" . I'm also under a complete purchase ban on the hammock gear front at the moment . The roll of Zing-it I have is the 1.8mm, so may be no good for a continuous ridgeline. Only way to find out is to try it, I guess.

[mattmacman]

Hahaha does someone want to clarify a 'continuous ridge line'.

[ULWalkingPhil]

Hahaha does someone want to clarify a 'continuous ridge line'.

It gets very technical, mattmacman. Did you take a look at http://www.whoopieslings.com ? There's also some great youtube video's describing the Ridge lines, I'll see if I can find them and post the links here.

[ULWalkingPhil]

Here's a video describing and showing how the Tarp Ridge Line I purchased works. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Bp1hoQ2I4

Here's another showing how to attach the fly to the Ridge Line: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8K8dDUzuOU

Here's one on the Tarp Guy Lines I ordered: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDuBHE0RXtg

Here is another on the Tarp Guy Lines, a great review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QcS0RFz-sE

The "No Knot Tarp Guyline" sold by opie at http://www.whoopieslings.com. It is a piece of craftsmanship that has buried fixed eye splices at both ends of a 9' piece of 1.75mm Dyneema cord, a spliced ring attached as a prusik loop, and a bit of silicon tubing that provides tensioning.

[Marwood]

And here's how to set up a Warbonnet Superfly with separate ridgelines at each end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWosjmGUy8U.

[ULWalkingPhil]

I've spoken to Opie today in regards to Prusiks slipping and he informed me that this is not the case.

He told me it's news to him. Mentioned he sold literally hundreds and hundreds of the ridge lines and only had one complaint and that was from a fellow who thought the prusik loops bite too tight. his never had any slippage. The line he uses is a coated line and the more it is used, the better it holds. You can easily have 20+ pounds of holding power on the tarp prusik loops and 35+ pounds on the one that holds the Figure-9. he uses 3 turns on the tarp loops and 4 on the Figure-9 one. You could always wrap them another turn but there should be no need to. The guy lines have the same 3 turns and holding power.

I now have no doub't i've made the right decision in purchasing all the lines from Whoopieslings.com
I guess time will tell. I will be putting all to the test as soon they arrive.

[ULWalkingPhil]

Whoopie Slings described in more detail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw6P3pHt8KI

[nq111]

Anyone with hammocking experience is it neccesary to have a underquilt at 0 degrees if i use my -18 bag a silk liner and thermals?

In a word - Yes. But doesn't have to be an underquilt if you want to go the pad option.

I have a -18c down bag that i have used in the hammock from about 10 - 0 degrees. At 10 degrees you definately need underinsulation. Where-ever the bag is compressed underneath you will get very cold. Being warm elsewhere doesn't really counter it - it is quite possible to have sweating feet and an icy bum and back.

At 10 degrees with a light underpad (Hennessy Deep Jungle pad) the -18 degree bag is overkill - maybe cover 20%-50% of your body at most. At zero degrees, with light underpad it was a tad warm but ok unzipped, but the underinsulation was at its limit (ok - but cool). Any colder and I would likely go a tent anyway.

I have mentioned before but the cooling is an advantage of a hammock. You can camp hot and humid summer nights much more comfortably than in a tent. But the cooling is so effective that (for me - others may differ) - anything towards a low of 20 degrees you start to think about underinsulation.

[mattmacman]

Well i do have a downmat 9 that might work well =P Also thanks for clarifying the continuous ridge line for me, Looks extremely easy to adjust !

[ULWalkingPhil]

Well i do have a downmat 9 that might work well =P Also thanks for clarifying the continuous ridge line for me, Looks extremely easy to adjust !

I also own a Downmat 9, great to sleep on, but to heavy for my liking.

That's why I went for the tarp ridge line, quick and easy to set. No knots to tie.

[Dale]

For all you hammock junkies:

http://sticksblog.com/2011/07/21/first- ... ck-system/

[ULWalkingPhil]

I'm still waiting on my Hammock gear to turn up in the post.

Placed 3 orders. One from Warbonnet and two from whoopieslings.com

So far one order from whoopieslings.com has arrived. That order was on the 19th. The other order on the 15th has not arrived. according to track and trace has not left the states.

My Warbonnet Order placed on the 15th. still has not left the states. Very frustrating when you have a one week hike I'm preparing for coming up soon and I really really want to take my Hammock gear on this hike. I just don't think it's going to happen.

Both order's placed on the 15th from two different suppliers appear to be stuck at the states for some reason.