Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

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Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby headwerkn » Sun 19 Jan, 2014 3:25 pm

Hi all,

We need (read: I want!) a new 3-season tent to augment (if not entirely replace) our current 4-season Snowgum Snow Shelter II. The Snowgum is actually a great little tent - quick and easy to pitch, doesn't require too big a space, good sized vestibules and bombproof in heavy wind/blizzards - but at over 3KG is more weight than I really want - or, in this day and age, should need - to carry. Its bulk also takes up more space in my current 70L pack than is ideal. Lastly, the tent's warmth in cold weather makes it uncomfortable to use when its hot; it doesn't doesn't vent particularly well on warm summer nights, especially when there's little breeze. This isn't much of a problem up the highlands where the nights are almost always crispy cool, but we have had some overnighters down on the east coast where it was close to unbearable. We're wanting to do some more multi-night trips around Freycinet in the coming 12 months, so I'm keen to take something else instead.

Initially I was interested in the MSR Hubba Hubba, and more or less sold when the new NX version was released with its 1.6KG weight and promise that some of the issues with the original had been sorted out.

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I am however a little concerned as to the strength of the lightweight single-arch pole design in strong winds. Much of our hiking takes place in the Western Lakes area which is obviously very exposed; you're doing well if you can tuck in behind ~1m bushes and the odd small hill for a minor wind break. From the dozens of reviews I've read, the original HH wasn't known for being particularly rigid in gusty conditions and I can't imagine the even-lighter NX version being any better. There's also the matter of cost and availability (which I'll talk about in a sec), so I've done some more hunting and come across the StratoSpire 2 from Tarptent.

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The shape is a bit different from the typical dome-style, but essentially it is a typical 2 person, twin-vestibule style tent than can be supported with two walking poles instead of dedicated tent poles. As such it is much lighter - 1.2KG - but also (in theory anyway) much, much stronger than the MSR or indeed any tent that uses lightweight flex-poles. Of course it would be much more dependent on correct guying out, but I'd figure the supposedly freestanding MSR too would need several guylines to give it half a chance in windy conditions, so I don't see that as much of an issue either way.

Dimensions-wise both (and the Snowgum) are quite similar, with the Tarptent just that little bit bigger in each direction, particularly with headroom: 1270mm vs 1000mm. Using trek poles though, the Tarptent can be adjusted down lower if you needed to cheat the wind better. I'm not actually too keen on going much bigger with the external dimensions, as that would probably limit our ability to find suitable pitch spots; many a time we've been able to locate spots "just" big enough for the Snowgum. Of course in complete deference to that last statement, maximum internal space matters... the Snowgum is OK with the inner fly doors open however with them zipped up my partner and I find it pretty darn tight for space (we're both reasonably tall and not super skinny). The coziness is in part due to the fact it has sloping walls on all sides, notably on the longer door/vestibule sides which, despite the quite wide-and-long floorplan, eat into "sitting shoulder/head space" considerably. I'm not sure how well the MSR improves on this (if at all) but the Tarptent has completely vertical internal walls on the vestibule sides. That, combined with the fact they reckon the inner tent can stretch out to accommodate 3 sleeping mats if need be, seems to bode well for plenty of internal space.

Other points in favour of the Tarptent:

* The StratoSpire can be pitched in any order or combination - fly only, fly-then-inner, or both at once (inner can be put up and packed up connected to fly). The MSR requires its groundmat for fly-only configurations and in normal use, the inner goes up first so is at risk of rain, etc. Interestingly, MSR have recently updated their page and manual, and reckon you can erect it fly-only with the pole system freestanding. I can't tell for sure but this method seems to rely on the ends of the poles digging into the ground and holding themselves in place while you get the fly over them - doesn't sound very reliable in bad weather.

* It appears to have more guy-out/stake-out points for dealing with wind and snow and making the most out of surrounding trees, etc. for support.

* Despite being a bit bigger, its packed dimensions are smaller - 410x110mm versus 460x150mm. Not a huge difference but still bodes well for use with smaller UL packs in the future.

* Choice of all-mesh or combination mesh-solid inner tent. Or you can buy either separately for an extra US$130ish. I reckon the half-n-half version would be best for most of the year in Tassie, but during the heat of summer the mesh-version would be better. Nice to have that flexibility.

* StratoSpire is USA made, Hubba Hubba is Chinese/Taiwanese made.

* StratoSpire is silnylon, MSR is regular ripstop nylon. The Tarptent does however require separate seal sealing, though I don't see that as a major minus.

* StratoSpire is US$339 (US$359 with solid inner), MSR is US$389... which seems to equal nearly AU$600 locally! Street price is around US$330 in the US, but MSR of course doesn't allow international sales, and thus you'd incur the extra cost of mail forwarding etc. to get one delivered here. Tarptent are of course chuffed-as-larry to sell to anywhere and the shipping cost isn't unreasonable at US$50-$65.

In favour of the MSR:

* I might get to check out one in person before buying... assuming somewhere here in Tassie ever gets them in stock. May be waiting quite a while. On the flipside, Tarptent give you a 90 day money back guarantee to thoroughly test it out.

* Assuming it was purchased locally, any issues can be dealt with at a local store rather than over the internet. Mind you, from what I've heard, Tarptent have a solid reputation for excellent customer service regardless of where you are on the globe, whereas the old style method of getting a dealer to deal with a distributor has often being a slow and painful experience anyway.

* It's a very minor issue, but the MSR has a few internal pockets and internal tie points for stowing small items. To my knowledge the Tarptent has none of these. That said, the original Hubba Hubba's end pockets were supposed to close to useless, not sure if the NX model improves them.

If it sounds like I've done a good job of convincing myself the Tarptent would be a better buy, it's because I have, but I'd still be keen to hear people's opinions and thoughts on these two tents versus any other equivalent options worth considering. Incidentally, I realise that it's a little hard to give accurate feedback on a model of tent that isn't really in full release yet (not in this country away) but the previous version has been out for a long time and supposedly has sold very well, so there must be plenty of knowledge out there on how good - or otherwise - they are.

Cheers, Ben.
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby icefest » Sun 19 Jan, 2014 4:00 pm

Have you ever broken a waking pole whilst hiking?
My brother has a hubba hubba as is happy with it, but hasn't had it in a Tassie gale yet.

I have a Trailstar that requires one pole to put up. I always have done spare rope to tie it to an overhanging branch/make a tripod to hold it up.

What will you do with the Trailstar in the event of a broken pole?

I'm not telling you to pick either or the other.
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby 0psi » Sun 19 Jan, 2014 5:21 pm

I had a play with a Hubba Hubba NX the other day and was quite impressed. Admittedly it was only in a shop but it seems to solve the main issue I had with the older Hubba's by adding a reasonable size vent at each end and a higher floor. My only major reservation is strength and a small gripe I have is that both doors face the same way. Having said that I'm seriously considering adding one to the collection but I don't think I'd want one as my only tent.

Have you considered a Hilleberg Nallo or Anjan? I've got a Nallo GT and the build quality is excellent but pitching it is a bit of a pain. Having said that the more I do it the better it's getting. I think the regular Nallo or Anjan would be much easier to pitch.

If I had to only own one tent it would probably be a Hilleberg Nammatj 3 but that's probably getting a little heavy for you.
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby Strider » Sun 19 Jan, 2014 6:16 pm

Get a Scarp 2 with both solid and mesh inners and ditch the Snowgum unit entirely, I say.
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby headwerkn » Sun 19 Jan, 2014 6:48 pm

icefest wrote:Have you ever broken a walking pole whilst hiking? .


No, but I've had more than a few tent poles broken by strong winds, most recently over Xmas-NY at Dee, so given we spend so much time camping in the highlands in exposed areas its something I'm giving heavy consideration to.

No matter which way you look at it, a pair of hiking poles are much stronger than the poles included in pretty much any dome-type tent, which have to be strong enough not to break/collapse in high wind/loadings, yet bendy enough to actually create the shape of the tent - while being not too weighty either. Geodesic-type pole systems are already stressed when in use, and while this gives a certain amount of resistance to loaded tent material, the forces are placed on the sides of the poles - the weakest part - thus there will come a point where it eventually collapses (alloy) or goes snap (carbon and composite).

Hike poles generally get used vertically, with tension at the top balanced in both directions ie. tent material pulls one way, guy line pulls the other way. The forces pulling down towards the ground travel vertically throughout the entire length of the pole - its strongest dimension - so that coupled with inherent heavier alloy/materials used means you'd pretty unlikely to break them. Needless to say, I'm pretty sold on the idea of using hiking poles!

As for breaking a pole while walking, well I suppose it could happen if you fell awkwardly or tried to do something particularly stupid with it :wink: Were that to happen though, my partner would have at least one spare pole, ideally two if I can get her using twin poles. If you were stuck without a spare pole, I suppose it wouldn't be terribly difficult to find a suitable tree branch as a temporary support, or alternatively, find a nearby tree and support the other end guying up to that.

It is a worthy question to pose, and never say it can't happen, no matter how unlikely (!) but I'd be more worried about breaking and then having to repair a comparatively complicated and proprietary pole design with a bit of tube and duct tape, than breaking a hiking pole.

0psi wrote:Have you considered a Hilleberg Nallo or Anjan? I've got a Nallo GT and the build quality is excellent but pitching it is a bit of a pain. Having said that the more I do it the better it's getting. I think the regular Nallo or Anjan would be much easier to pitch.


I've briefly considered the Anjan - OutdoorGearLab raves about it - but the cost is beyond what I can really spend (other stuff to upgrade too). The weight compares OKish to the MSR but not the Tarptent (or UL tents in general) and while I don't doubt it is extremely well made it is probably overkill for us... we're not going to be doing serious multi-day walks through constant snow if we can help it, more a case of being able to stay safe in sudden blizzards and other inclement weather.
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby headwerkn » Sun 19 Jan, 2014 7:13 pm

Strider wrote:Get a Scarp 2 with both solid and mesh inners and ditch the Snowgum unit entirely, I say.


I considered the Scarp but basically came to the same conclusions re: hiking poles vs dedicated poles. Does look like a good option though, possibly a bit better for couples who don't want to top-and-tail... I have noticed the StratoSpire inner does come down quite low on the end furthest from the pole.

Hmm... decisions decisions! This was so much easier when we just went to Kmart and bought the one that suited the number of people that needed to fit inside....
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby corvus » Sun 19 Jan, 2014 8:11 pm

Go for the Scarp 2 set up ,have not read about their poles breaking in any conditions to date :)
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby 0psi » Mon 20 Jan, 2014 8:37 am

For what it's worth there is little to no weight difference between the Anjan 2 and the MSR. Packed weight might be a bit more for the Anjan but it includes a spare pole section, pole repair sleeve and 12 proper pegs vs. the MSR's 6 little pegs. Ditch the spare pole/repair kit and bring it down to 8 pegs (minimum needed to pitch it properly) and I dare say packed weight would be much the same too.

If you were to purchase the MSR locally then there wouldn't be much between the Anjan and MSR price wise.
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby johnrs » Mon 20 Jan, 2014 2:50 pm

Hi HW
My favourite walking/fishing area is the Central Plateau.
I used a Mac Pac Minaret there until the UV perished it.
I would be nervous about a Stratospire , having had one blowdown elsewhere in quite severe conditions.
Similarly the mesh version of the Hubba NX may be a little cold out of mid summer
but would probably stand up.
Its generally breezy,
Are the walls a little high off the ground on the Anjan?
I like the idea of the Scarp
and also wonder whether a Hubba HP might do??
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby Franco » Mon 20 Jan, 2014 6:46 pm

No offence but if pegs pop out or a shelter is blown down not because the fabric is ripped or because the poles brake, there is no point in blaiming the shelter....
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby headwerkn » Mon 20 Jan, 2014 8:46 pm

Hmmm... I'm having trouble understanding how the MSR would be more wind resistant than basically anything supported by two upright hiking poles? Even if centre pole on the Hubba Hubba was made from thick, strong alloy (which it isn't, obviously) it would still be only fairly lightly supported by its own tension and that of the inner and fly, relying primarily on extra guylines to prevent it over-flexing, especially if wind gusts hit it directly on the side.

What were the circumstances that your StratoSpire blew down in? Did the pegs pull from the ground, etc?

Whatever tent I end up getting, I plan on getting at least 4 longer 8"-9" pegs; some of the sites we've used recently have been on a kind of strong, stunted heath that sits a bit off the ground. Has been tricky to get short 6" pegs to bed deep through it.

Anyone know of another tarp-tent like shelter that uses hiking poles worth looking into. $600+ is just a bit too much at the moment, kinda limited to $400 or thereabouts.

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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby Franco » Tue 21 Jan, 2014 7:04 am

I plan on getting at least 4 longer 8"-9" pegs

When BPL tested the holding power of various popular stakes they found that on solid ground the 7" Y pegs had about the same holding power of the 8/9" Easton (around 66lbs)
Other 6/7" pegs had a holding power between 25 and 41 pounds.
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On loose soil and on exposed areas always helps to put extra weight on top of your pegs as well of course making sure they are inserted at the right angle (45 degree away from the tent)
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby headwerkn » Tue 21 Jan, 2014 9:28 am

Thanks for the advice Franco. Your videos on the StratoSpire were very helpful too. Unless there's a better ~1KG hike pole supported tarp-tent out there, I'm thinking it is the way I'll go.
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby johnrs » Tue 21 Jan, 2014 1:14 pm

Hi HW
we were camped on the NWS main range last summer when a front blew in.
The BOM observations showed local winds in the 70-80kmhr range
Our stuff was blowing away on the ground.
There was a range of tents in use all of which were sorely tested over a long night.
The conditions were similar to a strong storm on the Arthurs or the Central Plateau.
We had a Helpsort Ringstind 2 which just made it through the night, a Luxe habitat NX
which is a Hubba clone which stood up with little issue and several Macpacs, Olympus and Citadel, which flapped violently but stood up OK.
The pegs on the Stratospire were fine but the tent was flappping so violently that it twice somehow managed to flip a walking pole clear out of the tent and away into the night.
I eventually took it down to avoid damage and used it as a large bivy bag.

So the Stratospirs is a lovely clever design which handles wind well but
proved in my hands at least inferior in extreme conditions to more traditional heavier constructed and framed tents.
I would be reluctant to use itfor long trips on the Central Plateau or exposed alpine Tasmanian sites.
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby Scottyk » Tue 21 Jan, 2014 1:24 pm

Franco wrote:No offence but if pegs pop out or a shelter is blown down not because the fabric is ripped or because the poles brake, there is no point in blaiming the shelter....


Well we have a forum member offering personal experience of using a tent in real world conditions and another member who is trying to sell tents.
I know who I would listen to
No offence...
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby corvus » Tue 21 Jan, 2014 6:53 pm

Scottyk wrote:
Franco wrote:No offence but if pegs pop out or a shelter is blown down not because the fabric is ripped or because the poles brake, there is no point in blaming the shelter....


Well we have a forum member offering personal experience of using a tent in real world conditions and another member who is trying to sell tents.
I know who I would listen to
No offence...


Bit hard there Scottyk !!
Franco does not sell Tarptents and has contributed lots of really good useful information on this Forum,having said that I would never consider the StratoSpire2 for any season in Tassie as it relies on walking poles which can be broken/damaged or whatever before you even get to camp and set up your shelter.
I own a couple of Scarps, 1 and 2 which have served me well in most Tassie conditions ,good space and weight and nice replacements for the KMart A frame,Caribee Caddis,Fairydown SnowCave,MacPac Microlite and Macpac Stellar,all good shelters (Snow Cave was the best) of those.
When selecting a new shelter I needed to look at a solo set up as my walking companion Son had moved intrastate so did the research and decided on Scarp1 which is ideal for solo walker IMHO,son has since returned home and we needed a 2 man shelter ,again did the research and selected a Scarp 2 which to date has been excellent (not tested in snow as yet) but with the crossing poles I would trust it given previous experience.
Just my 2c worth :)
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby Scottyk » Tue 21 Jan, 2014 8:25 pm

corvus wrote:
Scottyk wrote:
Franco wrote:No offence but if pegs pop out or a shelter is blown down not because the fabric is ripped or because the poles brake, there is no point in blaming the shelter....


Well we have a forum member offering personal experience of using a tent in real world conditions and another member who is trying to sell tents.
I know who I would listen to
No offence...


Bit hard there Scottyk !!
Franco does not sell Tarptents and has contributed lots of really good useful information on this Forum,having said that I would never consider the StratoSpire2 for any season in Tassie as it relies on walking poles which can be broken/damaged or whatever before you even get to camp and set up your shelter.
I own a couple of Scarps, 1 and 2 which have served me well in most Tassie conditions ,good space and weight and nice replacements for the KMart A frame,Caribee Caddis,Fairydown SnowCave,MacPac Microlite and Macpac Stellar,all good shelters (Snow Cave was the best) of those.
When selecting a new shelter I needed to look at a solo set up as my walking companion Son had moved intrastate so did the research and decided on Scarp1 which is ideal for solo walker IMHO,son has since returned home and we needed a 2 man shelter ,again did the research and selected a Scarp 2 which to date has been excellent (not tested in snow as yet) but with the crossing poles I would trust it given previous experience.
Just my 2c worth :)
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Maybe a bit Harsh Corvus agreed. I'll try and epxplain myself a bit more.
Johnrs gave us his story and I thought that someone who is involved in the sale of the tents trying to run him down on here looks a bit like someone who is trying to move tents. The OP asked about the 2 tents he wanted to compare and Johnrs gave a good story about a personal experience of one of those tents, the StratiSpire2. It's great to hear stories like that of real world testing of equipment as sometimes I think we are guilty of doing lounge room based assessments of things (myself included).
I agree that Franco adds alot the forum in terms of what TT can offer and I think 99% of the time he doesn't cross the line from forum member to biased salesman but in my opinion I though this time he may have.
Maybe I nitpicking?, probably :)
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby sthughes » Wed 22 Jan, 2014 9:39 am

The flexibility of the Hubba is being considered a bad thing in regard to strong winds, compared to the rigidity of trekking poles. It seems to me that this is completely the wrong way of looking at it. The whole point of the Hubba design (and that of most tunnel tents etc) is that in really strong gusts they flex and deflect to relieve the stress. They can be pretty much blow flat in a gust and then pop back up. You may not sleep too well, but the tent will live to fight another day. The Stratospire with it's very rigid poles and large & high areas of "sail" is always going to provide a better sleep in moderate winds, but ultimately I suspect it will fail sooner at the extreme limit as it tries to remain completely rigid, and in doing so it, and it's anchors, must resist enormous loads.

I have a Hubba Hubba HP and it has survived some strong wind, the biggest issue is that it is quite difficult to pitch (especially outer first) in strong wind. On several occasions I have also added my trekking poles to make it more rigid and hence more comfortable to sleep in (i.e. reduce the deflection). You can insert them with the handle in the 'corner' at each end of the short crossing pole at the top of the door zip, and the point of the pole in the ground outside the middle of the door. This makes it quite rigid. Additionally you can run guy lines from the ends of the short crossing pole (there's a loop of nylon webbing), but I'm not sure this would be possible with the NX as it has a different door arrangement. This way my trekking poles act as a bonus, rather than a necessity - as I have broken quite a few and wouldn't want to be reliant on them!

I agree the MSR pegs supplied are rubbish.

headwerkn wrote:Other points in favour of the Tarptent:
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* StratoSpire is USA made, Hubba Hubba is Chinese/Taiwanese made.

Are you kidding? :shock:
You really need to look closely at them, unless things have changed a lot in the last year or so then MSR are light years ahead in construction quality. I've not seen anyone put together a tent better than MSR.

If weight is a key driver I'd go the Stratospire (with solid inner), but personally I'd cop the extra half a kilo or so and get a Hubba Hubba HP, Goondie 2, Hilleberg of even Scarp 2 if you like Tarptents. The NX is in neither Arthur or Martha in my opinion, and mesh tents are not 3 season in Tassie as far as I'm concerned. :wink:
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby headwerkn » Wed 22 Jan, 2014 11:47 am

Thanks for all the feedback guys... even though it is making the decision even tougher ;-)

johnrs wrote:Hi HW
we were camped on the NWS main range last summer when a front blew in.
The BOM observations showed local winds in the 70-80kmhr range
....
We had a Helpsort Ringstind 2 which just made it through the night, a Luxe habitat NX
which is a Hubba clone which stood up with little issue and several Macpacs, Olympus and Citadel, which flapped violently but stood up OK.
The pegs on the Stratospire were fine but the tent was flappping so violently that it twice somehow managed to flip a walking pole clear out of the tent and away into the night.


I have to admit I'm surprised that style of tent would hold up so well in high wind like that, though pitched end-on it would definitely be more capable, especially if the wind direction wasn't varying too much.

Which begs the question - which way do you orientate the StratoSpire towards the wind? The most "wind cheating" side isn't immediately apparent.

I'm figuring that with the handgrip ends merely sitting on the ground under tension it would be wise practice to secure around them with rocks and/or gear to stop them bouncing around if the fly is being tested by the wind. I don't suppose anyone's come up with a "hike pole spike adapter" to help secure the end into the ground? ;-)

sthughes wrote:The flexibility of the Hubba is being considered a bad thing in regard to strong winds, compared to the rigidity of trekking poles. It seems to me that this is completely the wrong way of looking at it. The whole point of the Hubba design (and that of most tunnel tents etc) is that in really strong gusts they flex and deflect to relieve the stress. They can be pretty much blow flat in a gust and then pop back up. You may not sleep too well, but the tent will live to fight another day. The Stratospire with it's very rigid poles and large & high areas of "sail" is always going to provide a better sleep in moderate winds, but ultimately I suspect it will fail sooner at the extreme limit as it tries to remain completely rigid, and in doing so it, and it's anchors, must resist enormous loads.


It's definitely something to consider... in my experience (and perhaps this is with lesser tents) the poles tend to bend over until they snap, split or fold over... or rip whatever part of the tent they were attached too. The Snowgun uses quite stiff alloy poles, I'm pretty sure if they were deflected down to the ground they'd bend/crease over.

sthughes wrote:I have a Hubba Hubba HP and it has survived some strong wind, the biggest issue is that it is quite difficult to pitch (especially outer first) in strong wind. On several occasions I have also added my trekking poles to make it more rigid and hence more comfortable to sleep in (i.e. reduce the deflection). You can insert them with the handle in the 'corner' at each end of the short crossing pole at the top of the door zip, and the point of the pole in the ground outside the middle of the door. This makes it quite rigid. Additionally you can run guy lines from the ends of the short crossing pole (there's a loop of nylon webbing), but I'm not sure this would be possible with the NX as it has a different door arrangement. This way my trekking poles act as a bonus, rather than a necessity - as I have broken quite a few and wouldn't want to be reliant on them!


Curiously enough, they recommend a similar configuration with the StratoSpire in really high winds... extra pair of walking sticks set up as lifters to hold the sides taught.

sthughes wrote:I agree the MSR pegs supplied are rubbish.


The NX version ones are supposed to be much improved, though I suppose the old adage "pegs provided with tents shall always suck" can still apply. Whatever I end up getting though, investing in some high quality 3rd party pegs of varying designs is a given. The ground varies a lot up that way, the 6" standard alloy skewers we currently use are often tricky to bed in correctly.

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headwerkn wrote:Other points in favour of the Tarptent:
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* StratoSpire is USA made, Hubba Hubba is Chinese/Taiwanese made.

Are you kidding? :shock:
You really need to look closely at them, unless things have changed a lot in the last year or so then MSR are light years ahead in construction quality. I've not seen anyone put together a tent better than MSR.


That's what their respective websites say. Whether or not Taiwan (where MSR makes their tents) equals China or not depends on your sociopolitical view, I guess. I don't doubt that they're well made (for the price, they'd want to be) and just because something is USA made doesn't automatically mean it is manufactured with any better care or attention either, but given the choice for more or less equal products, I'd rather support specialist cottage industries than a large company using Far East manufacturing and charging me more to support their protectionist dealer network.

sthughes wrote:If weight is a key driver I'd go the Stratospire (with solid inner), but personally I'd cop the extra half a kilo or so and get a Hubba Hubba HP, Goondie 2, Hilleberg of even Scarp 2 if you like Tarptents. The NX is in neither Arthur or Martha in my opinion, and mesh tents are not 3 season in Tassie as far as I'm concerned. :wink:


Weight is a key driver, as is price. $600-$800 is just a little too rich for me right now as the rest of the "big three" are in need of updating this year as well... maybe if my girlfriend and I end up doing regular winter treks a Hilleberg would be a justifable investment, but right now $350-$400 is much more doable. Basically it is down to the Stratospire vs Scarp, and whether saving half a kilo is worth relying on trekking poles for support. I suppose in my mind I'm having difficulty seeing walking poles as easy to damage. I've ragged the hell out of mine for the past 4 years and it hasn't even come close to breaking. Maybe I'm not trying hard enough!?

Mesh tents would be ideal for summer camping at sea level - get a stinking hot night at Frecyinet, Maria, etc. and you'd be loving it - but I agree, the solid inner makes more sense for the highlands unless you pick the weather perfectly. As such, I do like how Tarptent give you the option to get both.

Cheers, Ben.
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby Franco » Wed 22 Jan, 2014 12:18 pm

Here is another way to secure that corner :
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the pole could be a small brunch or a long rock.
If you don't have extra pegs , some rocks and or a stuff sack full of sand or pebbles will work too.
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby corvus » Wed 22 Jan, 2014 9:58 pm

Franco,
You a kidding eh!! carry extra pegs to accommodate using walking poles or some rocks and or a stuff sack full of sand or pebbles ?.
I much prefer having the correct shelter for most possible conditions knowing I have what is needed for basic set up .
If I need to " MacGyver " as a result of a really bad storm I do carry a couple of long lace length of para cord and an open mind as to what nature provides as extra guy points.
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Postby Strider » Wed 22 Jan, 2014 10:00 pm

That would be MacGyver, Corvus ;)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGyver
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby corvus » Wed 22 Jan, 2014 10:55 pm

Strider wrote:That would be MacGyver, Corvus ;)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGyver

No as a Scot I knew McIvor b4 he was a MacGyver thanks , there are no Scottish Clans of Gyvers so there can be no sons, aka Mac of Gyver:lol:
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby Franco » Tue 28 Jan, 2014 2:38 pm

Trying to find a particular photo I came across this old BPL thread about "pyramid" tents and wind.
There are at least 3 tent makers commenting there however don't let that put you off but read carefully the comments about pegs and poles :
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin ... d_id=52286
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Re: Thoughts on MSR Hubba Hubba NX vs Tarptent StratoSpire 2

Postby Moh » Wed 11 Feb, 2015 12:36 am

I've not seen the NX, but for what it is worth, I'm able to give some first hand experience into how a hubba hubba hp performs in high wind.

I'm embarrassed to say that I've had experience with a hubba hubba hp in 'severe gale force winds' on not one, but 2 occasions above 1500m on the passes of NZs South Island :oops:

The first time the HH HP held up gallantly for about 3 hours before side gusts eventually saw the poles begin to split at the joints and I was forced to drop the tent to avoid catastrophic failure. In all fairness, I had 15-20kg boulders sitting on top of each guy rope peg, and the force of the wind was enough to move the boulders in the process of pulling the pegs free on several occasions.

I loved the tent so much that I got it repaired and made a promise to it, to never to be in that situation again. Fast forward 2 years and my party got stuck for a night on rabbit pass, once again in severe gale force winds. This time I used my boot laces as extra guy ropes attached to each end of the cross pole at the top, and this was enough to give it the extra strength to deal with the destructive side gusts and survive the night unscathed. I was actually pleasantly surprised how much better it performed with this bit of extra support. I even managed to drift off for a decent sleep at one point( albeit while chanting 'I wish I'd brought my hille")

The HP is definitely not to be recommended for high winds above the tree line, but if like me, a freak storm rolls in, or you find yourself stuck between an iced up rock chute and a waterfall face, there is a chance that it will get you through the night if you rig up some extra support for the sides.

Cheers,
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EDIT: oops... sorry to post on an old topic. I only just noticed that the discussion was Jan 2014, and not 2015. Classic newbie mistake.
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