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New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby whitefang » Thu 07 Aug, 2014 11:55 am

Howdy, I am fairly new to overnight hiking and would like some recommendations on ways to shave some weight off my gear list. I'm heading up to the Flinders Ranges in the next few weeks to do an overnighter in Mt. Remarkable NP and later in the year (around October) I hope to do the OLT so hopefully this list covers everything I would need please suggest changes if it's not. I'm also hoping for some suggestions on the gear I still need to purchase.

The areas I can see (obviously) where I can shave weight is the pack, the kitchen, and photography. For the pack I am considering switching to an Osprey Exos 58, and as for the kitchen I would like to change to a gas system possibly a jetboil sol ti (I know it's expensive :lol: ) or another stove. As for the photography I originally purchased my camera to take walking with me, but I have come to the realisation that my photography skills at this stage are not good enough to justify the weight and I could probably get photos of the same quality from something like the Sony RX100III. These changes would save about 1500 - 1700g alone. I still have to add in the weight of the extra gear I still need to purchase, but I can't see that all being heavier than the weight saved.


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    Pack Osprey Kestrel 58L 1720
    Shelter MSR Hubba Hubba NX 1720
    Footprint MSR footprint 198
    Sleeping bag S2S TKI 840
    Sleeping pad Therm-a-rest ProLite Plus 620

    Kitchen
    Pot Trangia hard-anodised 1L w/ pot handle 132
    Stove Trangia 86
    Stand Esbit 59
    Mug S2S X-mug 62
    Spork S2S titanium 17
    Stove bag 6
    Stove strap 17
    Scourer 2
    Fuel bottle Trangia 1L 160

    Clothes, carried
    Spare socks Wool 81
    Base layer bottom Need to purchase
    Base layer top Need to purchase
    Insulation jacket Need to purchase
    Rain jacket Patagonia torrentshell 365
    Rain pants Berghaus deluge 390
    Gloves 50

    Clothes, worn
    T-shirt Unknown
    Shorts Unknown
    Socks Unknown
    Buff Unknown
    Fleece jumper Unknown
    Shoes Unknown
    Gaiters Need to purchase

    Misc
    First aid Need to make
    Water bladder Osprey Hydraulics 3L 310
    Headlamp Black diamond (unsure which model) 92
    Lighter 20
    Matches waterproof 10
    Knife Opinel No. 10 68
    Trowel 87
    Towel 67
    Dry bag 90
    Trekking poles Need to purchase

    Photography
    Camera body Canon EOS 1100D 564
    Lens Canon 18-135mm 466
    Polarising filter 44
    Bag 245

    Total weight(g) 8565

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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby cams » Thu 07 Aug, 2014 3:08 pm

There are still a lot of unknowns there and I think you've already hit the main weight saving possibilities in your OP. The gear you have isn't that heavy either, so you're going to have to work pretty hard from here on in to make more savings.

- Pack: sure you could get that down a fair bit. Look at some of the cottage gear maker options and other not so common brands in Australia. This all comes down to comfort though too.
- Shelter: Do you need the ground sheet? Depending on where you are camping maybe. Could probably swap for a piece of Tyvek for less weight. You can definitely get lighter shelters from Zpacks, tarptent etc.. but this comes down to the conditions you'll be in and what you're comfortable with. Is it just you?
- Mattress: You could save some weight with a blow up Neo-air type mattress here.
- Water bladder looks over-engineered. Either plastic soft drink bottles, or a simple platypus type bladder would save some weight.
- Ti or other lighter weight trowel could save you a bit.
- You've already mentioned the camera. The Sony you mentioned is an extremely capable camera. You could probably go lighter still here, but its a personal preference.
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby walkon » Thu 07 Aug, 2014 6:13 pm

All looks fairly good, as I don't wear my fleece top when I'm walking I'd consider using that with my shell as an insulated top at night for the temps you are likely to get. Before I would buy any lighter gear I would make sure that you actually use it first. Nothing wrong with the trang you've got plenty of time when walking so it doesn't matter if it takes longer, I do have a key boil so and it's great, has limitations though you can learn to cook whatever you want in it. Your clothes shouldn't be made of cotton or denim so check that. If the pack is what you have use it, your gear will change generally get smaller and/or you will take less so things will fit into it alot easier. I wouldn't change it unless it doesn't fit you or causes pain for the moment. Get out enjoy and do it as much as possible
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby Pongo » Thu 07 Aug, 2014 7:05 pm

Hey Whitefang. Good job on the list you've got so far. I'll throw in my two cents...

Big 4

[*] Agree with Walkon, use what you've got. It's expensive to replace these items.
[*] Agree with Cams, on the ground sheet and mattress? The OLT tent platforms are pretty friendly and a light ground sheet will save you some weight.

Kitchen

[*]I notice you have an esbit stand but no esbit cubes? This looks like duplication to me unless I'm missing something. Find your preference of stove and stick to it.
[*]I prefer to use a smaller pot that doubles as a mug / bowl. Doing this would enable you to give the mug the flick. Again this is a duplication thing. I'm using the MSR titan kettle, which is at the least, a good example of what I'm talking about

Clothes

[*]I find that my wool socks never dry! Although I don't have a pair I have seen some rather nice quick drys in use and am considering 1 wool, 1 QD as a good sock combo. More utility than weight saving.
[*] In my experience the cheap thermals are close to just as good as the expensive ones. If you're looking at saving a buck, Macpac do 3 for $50 deals on them and you can often get some knocked off that
[*] Have a think about your leg setup. I wear shorts and carry / wear a long gaiter. If you find you're more keen on pants, I would steer you to a small ankle gaiter.

Misc

[*] Ditch the trowel and use a sturdy tent peg instead.
[*] Ditch the towel, take a chux wipe or two - one for drying your cook wear, one for you and your tent - cheap weight savings, same function.
[*] When it comes to first aiding and medicine cabineting, condense what you can. Cut your thoothbrush in half and ditch the paste and detergent for some Dr Bronners!
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby whitefang » Fri 08 Aug, 2014 4:11 pm

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

Do you need the ground sheet? Depending on where you are camping maybe. Could probably swap for a piece of Tyvek for less weight. You can definitely get lighter shelters from Zpacks, tarptent etc.. but this comes down to the conditions you'll be in and what you're comfortable with. Is it just you?
- Mattress: You could save some weight with a blow up Neo-air type mattress here.


The only reason for having the groundsheet was because when I bought the tent second hand it came with it. However, seeing that it isn't all that necessary I will probably take it out of my gear if I don't need it. In the short term I will keep this tent, I went for this one as I have been walking with a friend, but if I find later down the track I am walking alone more often I will switch to a lighter, solo tent. A new tent is an expensive bit of kit that I have just bought. The same goes for the mattress, I was happy to compromise the weight for the cheaper price at this stage.

I don't wear my fleece top when I'm walking I'd consider using that with my shell as an insulated top at night for the temps you are likely to get. Before I would buy any lighter gear I would make sure that you actually use it first. Nothing wrong with the trang you've got plenty of time when walking so it doesn't matter if it takes longer, I do have a key boil so and it's great, has limitations though you can learn to cook whatever you want in it...I wouldn't change it unless it doesn't fit you or causes pain for the moment.


I have been wearing the fleece while walking lately just because it keeps me warm enough when it is cold and windy, but I suppose a long sleeve shirt for walking in could do the same job. I find the fleece to usually be quite warm, but not unbearable. That way I could use the fleece around camp to keep warm if I get cold. I bought the trangia a while ago for quite cheap, and I have used it on a few occasions. Mostly, if I have been car camping. After getting the esbit stand for it I realised that the standard stand and wind block work much more effectively, but weigh even more and take up quite a bit of room in my pack. Since it was quite cheap I am happy to outlay a bit more money for something lighter and probably more fuel efficient than using the trangia with esbit stand. As for the pack I bought that online without ever getting fitted, I find it really comfortable for lighter loads, but I'm not so sure asbout heavier ones. I think this will be something I keep for a while longer and get some experience with. If it gives me problems down the line I will likely swap to something lighter.

I notice you have an esbit stand but no esbit cubes?


The stand fits the trangia burner inside, or it can be used for the esbit cubes.

I prefer to use a smaller pot that doubles as a mug / bowl. Doing this would enable you to give the mug the flick.


The only reason I have the mug in there is for measuring water for food. Or if my friend walks with me I use the mug for coffee as well while he uses the pot. We just use the bags the food comes in as bowls.

Have a think about your leg setup. I wear shorts and carry / wear a long gaiter. If you find you're more keen on pants, I would steer you to a small ankle gaiter.


I have worn pants in the past, but get really hot in them and much prefer shorts now.

When it comes to first aiding and medicine cabineting, condense what you can


I will be doing this as much as possible, because the epipen I have to carry is really heavy for what it is! :lol:
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby FootTrack » Fri 08 Aug, 2014 11:00 pm

Hey whitefang :) These are my thoughts!

whitefang wrote: The only reason I have the mug in there is for measuring water for food. Or if my friend walks with me I use the mug for coffee as well while he uses the pot. We just use the bags the food comes in as bowls.


If this is the only reason, I would probably not take it and would scratch small marks into the side of the trangia pot instead. Or of course you could just put some permanent texta markings on the outside of a water bottle. However, I usually like to take a pot and a smaller cup (I've got an MSR Titan one which is light) because I like to put enough water in my pot for a cup of tea/hot chocolate AND my tea so that when it's boiled I can have a hot drink whilst the rest of my water is in with my tea cooking :) Whatever works best though. I personally wouldn't drop my cup for weight because it's so convenient for my needs - I don't want to have to waste time/fuel putting the stove on twice for a drink and meal.

Pongo wrote: I prefer to use a smaller pot that doubles as a mug / bowl. Doing this would enable you to give the mug the flick. Again this is a duplication thing. I'm using the MSR titan kettle, which is at the least, a good example of what I'm talking about


Depends on your eating arrangement though - I always just eat out of my pot for breakfast and tea. I don't really have a designated bowl. Of course it's a different thing if you need two pots to cook with - a non-metal mug isn't going to get along with your stove in which case the titan kettle would be justified. But if you only require one pot for cooking (which I think most people only would) this is probably a backwards step given the kettle weighs 118 grams and the current cup weighs only 62 grams.

Pongo wrote: In my experience the cheap thermals are close to just as good as the expensive ones. If you're looking at saving a buck, Macpac do 3 for $50 deals on them and you can often get some knocked off that


I'm not sure what other people's experiences have been with the Macpac clothing but I would certainly not go anywhere near their merino stuff again. I bought a jumper and thermal top off them last year and after just one wash both of them looked like a piece of Swiss cheese! Sooo many holes. If merino is what you are after I would look at the likes of Icebreaker. Much more expensive but at least the stuff lasts. Of course polypropylene stuff is great too. A lot cheaper than merino and very hard wearing. Definitley not knocking Pongo's idea here because I don't know what deal/materials were being referred to...I just thought I'd let you know my experiences with their merino gear. This was also mentioned in another review on the Macpac website...

Pongo wrote: Ditch the trowel and use a sturdy tent peg instead.


I wouldn't bother taking a trowel on the OLT given there is drop toilets at each campsite. Using a tent peg is going to save weight on other walks too. Probably depends again on what value you put on weight and convenience. I've found in the past that when you have to go, a trowel is much more effective at digging a hole quickly than a peg :) I've also used my trowel a few times before at highly used campsites to get my pegs out of the almost concrete like ground. I would have been there for much longer had I not had it.

whitefang wrote: Since it was quite cheap I am happy to outlay a bit more money for something lighter and probably more fuel efficient than using the trangia with esbit stand.


Fuel efficiency will increase with a canister or liquid fuel type stove but so will weight. The best combination for you probably depends on the length of your trip - if they're going to be shorter I would opt for an alcohol stove type like what you have but if your trips will be longer, the extra fuel you will have to use due to poorer fuel efficiency will go against the alcohol stoves. A cheap/light option would be using a stove like Andrew Skurka's cat food can stove which is probably like 10 grams (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pajkt594Ruw), a piece of aluminium foil for a wind shield and the pot you have or something marginally lighter like Evernews 900 ml titanium pot if you want to spend some money...this system is reliable, and would weigh a lot less than your current 300 gram arrangement. If you put your fuel in one of the more solid PET bottles you could also drop the weight of your fuel bottle. Of course you would have to ensure you weren't too rough on this then though...You probably couldn't beat this system easily for weight so give it a go and if it works it works, but if it doesn't or you feel like/calculate you could be carrying less weight at least you haven't lost a lot of money experimenting :)

What clothes you bring ultimately depends on the weather and the unpredictability of the area. I haven't been to the Flinders Ranges before but I would say that if the weather is forecast to be sunny for all the time you are there, there probably isn't a lot of need for the rain pants and gloves. However, I would be taking these items regardless of the weather forecast for more alpine areas like the OLT. I guess it comes down to risk and consequence + knowing the capabilities of your gear from testing them out at home/in safe environments first...

As for photography, the same questions rolled over in my head when I started thinking about bringing a camera with me. I use my phone camera myself as it is small (I can easily put it in my short/jacket pocket and get it out again), lightweight and reasonably robust - I have an "Otter box" case for it that has protected it from a number of drops that I would not like to give my proper camera. I also have all my normal phone functions with it and can of course take calls with it when in range. It also has a huge storage capacity - I took 2500 shots on the OLT with it at the start of this year and I had many many more I could have taken if I wanted to. It is a Nokia Lumia 920. Takes a pretty good shot I think (although fanatics may disagree with me here) for what I get out of it. I think the 1020 is out now and would definitely recommend giving it a look if you are in the market for a new phone.

Sorry for the long post! Good luck and I hope you have a great trip :D
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby Scottyk » Fri 08 Aug, 2014 11:35 pm

whitefang wrote:

    Big 4
    Pack Osprey Kestrel 58L 1720
    Shelter MSR Hubba Hubba NX 1720
    Footprint MSR footprint 198 - loose it for the OLT but make decisions about it for each trip
    Sleeping bag S2S TKI 840
    Sleeping pad Therm-a-rest ProLite Plus 620

    Kitchen
    Pot Trangia hard-anodised 1L w/ pot handle 132 - I think your cooking system could be improved on not just for weight, Esbit cooking is not very pleasant, smelly and awkward
    Stove Trangia 86
    Stand Esbit 59
    Mug S2S X-mug 62
    Spork S2S titanium 17
    Stove bag 6
    Stove strap 17
    Scourer 2
    Fuel bottle Trangia 1L 160

    Clothes, carried
    Spare socks Wool 81
    Base layer bottom Need to purchase Just buy one set of polypro thermals, that's all you need
    Base layer top Need to purchase Just carry 2 long sleeve thermal tops, a merino one and a polypro one, pull the sleeves up when you hot. Wear the merino on the trail and keep the poly as a back up or bed clothing
    Insulation jacket Need to purchase i like a 100 weight fleece and a down jacket or vest, thats all you need
    Rain jacket Patagonia torrentshell 365
    Rain pants Berghaus deluge 390
    Gloves 50

    Clothes, worn
    T-shirt Unknown no need for this unless it is really hot, just pull your sleeves up on the long sleeve thermals
    Shorts Unknownquick dry sailing shorts with a reinforced bum area are my favorites
    Socks Unknown
    Buff Unknown
    Fleece jumper Unknown as mentioned above any 100 weight fleece
    Shoes Unknown
    Gaiters Need to purchase

    Misc
    First aid Need to make
    Water bladder Osprey Hydraulics 3L 310
    Headlamp Black diamond (unsure which model) 92
    Lighter 20
    Matches waterproof 10
    Knife Opinel No. 10 68
    Trowel 87
    Towel 67
    Dry bag 90
    Trekking poles Need to purchase

    Photography
    Camera body Canon EOS 1100D 564
    Lens Canon 18-135mm 466
    Polarising filter 44
    Bag 245

    Total weight(g) 8565

Cheers,

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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby Pongo » Fri 08 Aug, 2014 11:50 pm

Following on from FootTracks comments, I also wouldn't recommend Macpacs merino thermals / undergear. I've had luck with 2 280mg+ tops but they're a few years old now.

Stick to the cheap thermals and not much else there IMO.
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby whitefang » Sat 09 Aug, 2014 12:40 am

FootTrack wrote:I'm not sure what other people's experiences have been with the Macpac clothing but I would certainly not go anywhere near their merino stuff again.


I bought one of their merino base layers a while back and my fingers have just torn through it on multiple occasions.

FootTrack wrote:Fuel efficiency will increase with a canister or liquid fuel type stove but so will weight. The best combination for you probably depends on the length of your trip - if they're going to be shorter I would opt for an alcohol stove type like what you have but if your trips will be longer, the extra fuel you will have to use due to poorer fuel efficiency will go against the alcohol stoves. A cheap/light option would be using a stove like Andrew Skurka's cat food can stove which is probably like 10 grams (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pajkt594Ruw), a piece of aluminium foil for a wind shield and the pot you have or something marginally lighter like Evernews 900 ml titanium pot if you want to spend some money...this system is reliable, and would weigh a lot less than your current 300 gram arrangement. If you put your fuel in one of the more solid PET bottles you could also drop the weight of your fuel bottle. Of course you would have to ensure you weren't too rough on this then though...You probably couldn't beat this system easily for weight so give it a go and if it works it works, but if it doesn't or you feel like/calculate you could be carrying less weight at least you haven't lost a lot of money experimenting :)


I think this will be a job for tomorrow. :D I have seen some other MYOG alcohol stoves that were much more complex, but this design seems easy and effective. As for the fuel bottles would something like those 100ml travel bottles you use to take liquids on planes be okay? I still haven't worked out the fuel consumption properly, but I imagine even if I had to take a few it would still be considerably lighter than the 1L fuel bottle.

[quote='FootTrack']I think the 1020 is out now and would definitely recommend giving it a look if you are in the market for a new phone.[/quote]

I recently got a Samsung Galaxy S4 mini, but the picture quality isn't all that great. I was looking at the 1020 when I upgraded, but the plan was out of my price range.
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby aaronhann85 » Sat 09 Aug, 2014 1:14 am

Gday Whitefang, I'm curious about this fascination with alcohol stoves... (Don't mean to focus on you) I understand it's all the rage in the States, but I'm a big fan of the convenience of gas.I need 3-4g of gas to boil 500mL of water with my Jetboil so even taking the extra weight of the stove itself into account it doesn't take long to make up for the inferior fuel efficiency and inconvenience of alcohol.

Also, two things regarding your sleeping bag. Don't forget to include the weight of the stuff sack (if you use it), and I was curious how you're finding the Trek I. I've always considered myself an exceptionally hot sleeper, even now with morning temps of -1 to 2 degrees in Parafield I sleep starkers. Yet on my first trip with my new Trek I I found myself a little chilly (Kapunda 2 weeks ago, roughly 8 degrees).
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby whitefang » Sat 09 Aug, 2014 1:25 am

The reason for me getting the trangia in the first place was it was a) cheap for me at the time and b) I didn't put a lot of research into my gear choices when I first started getting my gear together.

I found the TKI to be perfect in the temps I have used it in (between about 6 and 2).
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby ULWalkingPhil » Sat 09 Aug, 2014 6:52 am

I own two macpac merino baselayers now for a couple years and there fine. No holes. I always handwashed them.

I also own icebreaker baselayers and handwash them as well. There a few years old and still look new.

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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby ULWalkingPhil » Sat 09 Aug, 2014 7:01 am

Gas stoves? I own a few but choose not to take on my overnight bushwalks, why? Because its heavy. Those gas canisters if my memory serves me right empty weigh 150 grams, dead weight you have to carry with you all the time in your pack, adding weight and volume to your pack. Also there not as reliable as my current trusty cook system.

Trangia, I owned one of there cook kits a few years ago, got rid of it after my 2nd overnighter, to heavy for me and very inefficient with fuel is the biggest issue I had with them and overpriced.

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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby wayno » Sat 09 Aug, 2014 4:59 pm

your pack isnt an unreasonable weight.
getting a lighter pack can be a black art, you could get a lighter one but they aren't for everyone... lighter packs are less supportive, the padding becomes more minimal, frames may be non ezistant, some have to be packed carefully so they sit properly on your back and items arent digging into you...
i wouldnt buy a lightweight pack if i couldnt pack it myself first at least with the same weight i'd carry in it or with my actual gear and see how comfortable it is on my back.
you could spend a lot of money savine a small amount of weight in various bits of gear but will it really be worth it in teh end or just wait till you need to replace gear and look for lighter options..
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby whitefang » Sat 09 Aug, 2014 7:26 pm

Today I made Andrew Skurka's fancy feast stove and it seems to perform just as well as my trangia. A lot slower than a gas stove, but I will keep with the alcohol stove for a while now. At most my kitchen gear will now be 249g, but if I'm not walking with my friend I can do with out the mug saving a few more grams.

I also worked out a first aid kit (that I think should be sufficient for the walks I plan to do) which comes to 189g and includes: 1xgauze, 2xalcohol free swabs, 1x pair gloves, small roll of micropore medical tape, 2x safety pins, small swiss army knife with scissors and tweasers, small roll of duct tape, 12x ibuprofen tablets, 5x water purification tablets, 4x sachets of hydralyte and my epipen.

The other thing I got today was an icebreaker base layer to wear while I walk. I will probably get some cheap poly pro thermals for around camp next week.
Overall, I think my base weight will be similar or a little less than the total weight in my OP, but losing weight on some things allows me to add the other things I still need. I don't think I will be making any expensive purchases on items I already have just yet. For the time being I can probably borrow a lighter camera from my sister and as mentioned above the fancy feast stove works a treat.
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby Supertramp » Sun 10 Aug, 2014 4:24 pm

Big 4
Pack Osprey Kestrel 58L 1720 Swap for Osprey Exos 58L, 500 grams shaved. If you really wanted to save weight, zpacks Arc blast 1260 grams shaved :)
Shelter MSR Hubba Hubba NX 1720
Footprint MSR footprint 198 Not needed, 198 grams shaved.
Sleeping bag S2S TKI 840 Sea To Summit Micro MC III sleeping bag, 130 grams shaved.
Sleeping pad Therm-a-rest ProLite Plus 620 Swap for Thermarest neoair X-lite, 270 grams shaved.


Kitchen
Pot Trangia hard-anodised 1L w/ pot handle 132
Stove Trangia 86 Make one of the Pressurized Jet Alcohol Stoves from http://zenstoves.net/Stoves.htm mine weighs 22 grams with a 10c piece as the fuel filler cover.
Stand Esbit 59
Mug S2S X-mug 62 Either take just this to cook with (depending on size) or use the trangia 1L pot instead of this, 62 grams shaved.
Spork S2S titanium 17
Stove bag 6
Stove strap 17 Whats this for?
Scourer 2
Fuel bottle Trangia 1L 160 Do you really need a 1L fuel bottle? A smaller/lightweight water bottle may be a better option and weigh a quarter (or less) of the weight of this one.

Clothes, carried
Spare socks Wool 81
Base layer bottom Need to purchase
Base layer top Need to purchase
Insulation jacket Need to purchase
Rain jacket Patagonia torrentshell 365 ZPacks Challenger Rain Jacket, 200 grams shaved.
Rain pants Berghaus deluge 390 ZPacks Challenger Rain Pants, 277 grams shaved.
Gloves 50

Clothes, worn
T-shirt Unknown
Shorts Unknown
Socks Unknown
Buff Unknown
Fleece jumper Unknown
Shoes Unknown
Gaiters Need to purchase

Misc
First aid Need to make
Water bladder Osprey Hydraulics 3L 310 Look into using some 1.5L mt franklin water bottles as they next to nothing, only down side is they cant be made smaller.
Headlamp Black diamond (unsure which model) 92
Lighter 20
Matches waterproof 10
Knife Opinel No. 10 68
Trowel 87 Ditch the trwoel, 87 grams saved.
Towel 67
Dry bag 90
Trekking poles Need to purchase

Photography
Camera body Canon EOS 1100D 564
Lens Canon 18-135mm 466
Polarising filter 44
Bag 245

Total weight(g) 8565


Just have a look at some of the options I have suggested. I understand that the upgrades I have mentioned would cost a lot & aren't really needed, but think of the weight saving ;)

With my rough calculations you could shave around 2188 grams from your pack, if you took your camera out that would be a loss of 3507 grams from your current list.

P.s. Ditch the camera gear & borrow your sisters.
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby Joomy » Mon 11 Aug, 2014 11:43 am

As has been mentioned, you could save a bit of weight with a lot of money, which may or may not be worth it. Pack and rain gear would seem to be where you could make the most difference. Zpacks Challenger gear would be my recommendation too. As far as packs go there are lots of options that can be had for around 1kg. Changing those two alone could save you 1kg but would cost around $700 minimum.

Not sure I would ditch the trowel, but I would go for a Titanium option like the Qiwiz Big Dig. It's 17 grams so essentially no weight penalty. Of course ditching camera stuff will save you heaps but then your photos won't be as good! Good call on the stove. Lightweight, effective alcohol stoves are so easy to make I don't know why anyone buys them. Ditto for drink bottles. Get some lightweight plastic ones and lose the bladder.

Your first aid kit is very minimalist but well thought out. My first aid + repair kits weigh about 450g all up, but are very complete and probably overkill. I would probably add a compression bandage to yours and replace the swabs and purification tablets with a 15ml bottle of betadine. I would also add some painkillers and immodium.
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby whitefang » Tue 12 Aug, 2014 11:48 am

Thanks for those recommendations on lightweight rain gear, etc. I will keep that in mind down the line (probably a long way) if the weight is still something I want to reduce. As for losing the bladder it is my preferred way to drink while walking. I don't like having to stop to get water and put it back all the time. Something like the platypus hoser 2L would be perfect though. It weighs about 100g shaving off a couple hundred from the one I have now. And 2L is about the maximum I have been drinking on the trail each day at the moment. As back up I will throw in a 1.5L plastic bottle. The trowel has a collapsible handle so for the moment I will just take the handle off to save some weight before I commit to spending money on a lighter one.
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby whitefang » Tue 31 Mar, 2015 2:04 pm

Well, it's been a while since I had a look at this list and a lot has changed since then. I've swapped a lot of stuff out and even added some new things in, but still managed to shed more than 1.5kg. Now that I am back at uni full time this list will stay pretty much the same as I can only afford to replace something when it wears out (unless I find a really good deal). For those of you interested my gear list is attached below.
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby lorrainey100 » Wed 01 Apr, 2015 4:53 pm

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FootTrack wrote:Fuel efficiency will increase with a canister or liquid fuel type stove but so will weight. The best combination for you probably depends on the length of your trip - if they're going to be shorter I would opt for an alcohol stove type like what you have but if your trips will be longer, the extra fuel you will have to use due to poorer fuel efficiency will go against the alcohol stoves. A cheap/light option would be using a stove like Andrew Skurka's cat food can stove which is probably like 10 grams (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pajkt594Ruw), a piece of aluminium foil for a wind shield and the pot you have or something marginally lighter like Evernews 900 ml titanium pot if you want to spend some money...this system is reliable, and would weigh a lot less than your current 300 gram arrangement. If you put your fuel in one of the more solid PET bottles you could also drop the weight of your fuel bottle. Of course you would have to ensure you weren't too rough on this then though...You probably couldn't beat this system easily for weight so give it a go and if it works it works, but if it doesn't or you feel like/calculate you could be carrying less weight at least you haven't lost a lot of money experimenting :)


An alcohol stove which is more durable than the cat can and won't crush as easily is in your backpack is the White Box Stove (30 grams)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WHITE-BOX-NE ... 337d6ee404

Here are youtube videos of it in action

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51Hk--iGVnI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBSx4a1tLbA
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby FootTrack » Wed 01 Apr, 2015 7:37 pm

lorrainey100 wrote:An alcohol stove which is more durable than the cat can and won't crush as easily is in your backpack is the White Box Stove (30 grams)

Hey lorrainey100,

I'm not familiar with the white box stove. Have you got one yourself? I wonder how stable it would be? It looks much taller and narrower than a cat can stove...

I use an old beetroot can myself. I find it reasonably solid, and it is quite wide which reduces the chance of me knocking it over, or it falling over on soft/uneven terrain. Lately I have been sitting my fuel bottle inside it, which luckily fits snuggly, and putting it in the side sleeve of my pack. It protects it reasonably well and if it does bend slightly it's pretty easy to bend back into shape once at camp...

A bit better durability would be nice, but when the can itself doesn't cost anything to start with, and is easily replaceable, I think a recycled can stove is tough to beat.

What are your thoughts? Mind you I'm a cheap uni student with limited funds so you'd probably expect me to turn to the cheapest option ;)
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby Gadgetgeek » Wed 01 Apr, 2015 7:50 pm

Seems like you are on the right track. The main thing to keep in mind, everyone has a reason or many for how or why they do what they do. Those might jive with yours, or might not. Experience will tell you what to change, and where you will trade weight for convenience or other factors. My gear is far heavier and more rubust, That being said, I've selected all my gear with the mind-set that I should be able to explain how to use it to anyone in 30 seconds. Which I pretty well can do. But that's me.

One thing I would consider, if you haven't yet, find a GP with rural experience and formulate an allergy plan. I think you mentioned something about an Epi-pen. Get some more advice on how to deal with your condition if you are unable to get medical help quickly, and build an allergy kit that another person can administer to you (laminated directions and such) Depending on the type and severity, there might be other options to look at as well to keep you kicking while the chopper arrives. I would also recommend a proper large compression bandage in case of snake bites. Up to you. Of course take my advice for what it's worth, my first aid kits run in the kilo class. To keep things light weight, ditch the micro pore, just use duct-tape. Gauze is light, and more is better. Water is enough to clean wounds for a couple of days, so wipes won't make that much of a difference.

One last thing that I've learned after guiding only a couple walks. Never trust just one water container. Even if its a small backup (or in your case a flexi-bottle that fits your hose) have some options for water. its a bit of murphy's law repellent, but a worthy one to keep in mind. The backup PET bottle is good, and really anything will work and its pretty obvious, but a hard won lesson for me.

But in general it looks like you have a good bunch of gear that will last a good long time. Grab deals when you see them, but don't worry about it too much.
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Re: New to overnight walking - gear list recommendations

Postby lorrainey100 » Wed 01 Apr, 2015 11:52 pm

FootTrack wrote:
lorrainey100 wrote:An alcohol stove which is more durable than the cat can and won't crush as easily is in your backpack is the White Box Stove (30 grams)

Hey lorrainey100,

I'm not familiar with the white box stove. Have you got one yourself? I wonder how stable it would be? It looks much taller and narrower than a cat can stove...

I use an old beetroot can myself. I find it reasonably solid, and it is quite wide which reduces the chance of me knocking it over, or it falling over on soft/uneven terrain. Lately I have been sitting my fuel bottle inside it, which luckily fits snuggly, and putting it in the side sleeve of my pack. It protects it reasonably well and if it does bend slightly it's pretty easy to bend back into shape once at camp...

A bit better durability would be nice, but when the can itself doesn't cost anything to start with, and is easily replaceable, I think a recycled can stove is tough to beat.

What are your thoughts? Mind you I'm a cheap uni student with limited funds so you'd probably expect me to turn to the cheapest option ;)


Hi foottrack

The white box stove needs a wide base pot, the wider the better. You're right, it can be a bit unstable on uneven ground but I dig a bit of a depression in the ground with a stick to keep it stable sometimes or just keep a close watch over it. I've used it on many overnight bushwalking trips since it is lighter than a gas canister stove. It burns 2 cups of water in about 5 minutes as it has a double chamber to trap the gas from the methylated spirits as it is heated creating a very strong flame. I've brought it around the world and its survived rough handling by baggage handlers, and now has some dents on the side, but still works great so it is very durable. Its saved some camping trips a few times, where other campers canister stoves became wet and could not light up, the white box stove saved the day, lighting up even after it had a thorough dunking crossing the river. I'm still using the original one I bought after four years. I seem to keep coming back to it again and again even though I have different types of gas cannister stoves, other alcohol stoves, white gas stoves, the trangia, esbits etc. I like it since there are no moving parts, its durable and I can buy alcohol/meth anywhere in the world and as soon as I get off the plane instead of going out of my way to a special camping store to buy a gas canister.
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