Tue 18 Nov, 2008 8:35 pm
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Wed 19 Nov, 2008 7:48 am
Wed 19 Nov, 2008 8:33 am
Son of a Beach wrote:...photos are to capture the moment
Wed 19 Nov, 2008 11:49 am
the_camera_poser wrote:My wife is a former photojournalist, and she has a really simply guideline to follow. For her, and I tend to agree, the finest photography exists in National Geographic. When you look through those pages, it's a combination of a high level of skill, being in the right place at the right time, and the ability to "see" a shot that makes National Geo. so successful- and not the post-processing.
Having said all of that, I still bump the saturation bar on Photoshop each and every time
Wed 19 Nov, 2008 12:01 pm
lexharris wrote:IMHO taking an ordinary picture and then making it "stunning" with software manipulation simply demonstrates one's software skills rather than one's photography skills.
Having said all this some of my most treasured shots have been accidental, and some of my studied and carefully composed shots have been disasters. Which probably just proves that it's a continual learning process for all of us.
Wed 19 Nov, 2008 4:53 pm
Wed 19 Nov, 2008 7:01 pm
Son of a Beach wrote:Which doesn't necessarily make it any less artistic (arguable, depending on the results), but certainly does make it less about photography, as you said. It's certainly not my cup of tea for my own pictures, but I can see that it does sometimes have some good looking results (and in other cases, way over the top results, making the pictures look unreal).
and that sometimes being in the right place at the right time can have as much impact on the outcome as any other factor (for some of us, like me, anyhow).
Fri 21 Nov, 2008 11:58 am
the_camera_poser wrote:To me, the only effective post-processing is the stuff that doesn't look like it's there. I know Dombroskis and Ansel Adams spent umpteen hours working on their best prints, but I never seem to notice where it's been monkied with. If I can tell, it blows it for me.
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Fri 21 Nov, 2008 2:26 pm
Fri 21 Nov, 2008 4:07 pm
lexharris wrote:learning to get what I see on my calibrated screen printed out in hard copy
Fri 21 Nov, 2008 5:06 pm
Robbo wrote:Most of the cameras we use have built in adjustment to colour. And those that don't, have software to change the images once they are imported into your computer.
Another point to keep in mind is the fact that different films all have different colour casts, and none can capture the vistas our eyes see in the bush.
Robbo wrote:The question is becoming, 'Why do I need hard copies?'
Sat 22 Nov, 2008 7:22 am
lexharris wrote:As tas-man has suggested, control of colour accuracy throughout the process requires considerable skill and knowledge.
Sun 20 Sep, 2009 4:25 pm
Wed 23 Sep, 2009 9:13 am
lexharris wrote:
IMHO taking an ordinary picture and then making it "stunning" with software manipulation simply demonstrates one's software skills rather than one's photography skills. I agree with the_camera_poser, good photography requires skill, timing and an artist's eye. I would add that it requires an understanding of lighting, composition and perspective, and an empathy with the subject.
Lex
http://www.lexharris.net
Wed 23 Sep, 2009 9:47 am
ashlee wrote:I agree totally. Digitally manipulating photos isn't photography. I have never ever used any sort of software to "fix up" my shots. If they didn't work out on the day then I go back to the same spot another time, and hopefully I learn what I did wrong too.
Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:14 am
Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:19 am
tasadam wrote:With the RAW data from the camera you treat it like a film negative. The "digital darkroom" is your post processing software.
Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:24 am
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Fri 25 Sep, 2009 9:00 am
stoogest wrote:Interesting discussion folks.
I use the sharpening tool in Lightroom, but have been thinking about using Noise Ninja. Is it that much better?
Andrew.
Fri 25 Sep, 2009 10:14 am
Tue 06 Oct, 2009 7:12 am
aabzimaging wrote:Obviously, it is still the final call of the judges and moderators of the group (you do an excellent job!!!) but I have seen classy and excellent HDR images (although I don’t favour HDR too much, especially when used for a scene where it is totally unnecessary) and there are stylish Black and Whites.
The submitted image should be technically perfect in the first place. Wrong composition, poor focus and sharpness, blown out highlights, etc… they do all classify for a straight rejection, as well as over processed images during post production (no matter if HDR, B/W or not).
Only if the image is technically perfect I would judge on originality or uniqueness of the image or simply – if it has the wow-factor and grabs our attention.
(Un)fortunately with today’s software and technology a far greater manipulation of the actual image is possible compared to the classical dark room. Maybe we have to loosen our understanding of photography a bit more and allow for a new look at photography. Don’t get me wrong, I love viewing last centuries b/w images or Polaroids or thirty year old colour slides, but with the progress that has happened in digital photography over the last few years it is incredible to see the possibilities in the future. With the uniformity of digital image processors in most cameras though, post production more and more becomes a skill of it’s own – I believe working in the dark room required a similar high skill level just in a different way. So we equally have to take the quality of post processing of an image into account during the judging. If that results in a fantastic b/w, why not accept it. If it results in a surreal image with eye popping colours – why not if it is skilfully done (there are loads of wrong ways to increase saturation in post!). And if it results in an HDR scene, where the treatment is appropriate and enhances the image experience, why not?
Tue 06 Oct, 2009 7:58 am
Mickeymoo wrote:Adam, it’s interesting to see that you use the sharpening tool in photoshop to do your sharpening and noise reduction, is this your normal method when processing your photos? I have found noise ninja to be exceptional for noise reduction and the high-pass sharpening method to be fantastic as it sharpens just the edges.
Cheers,
Michael.
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