Wed 29 Apr, 2020 3:23 pm
Again I agree 100%. Repeating my earlier post:FatCanyoner wrote:If you'd called National Parks, they've have told you the Grose was closed.
mandragara, Rather than trying to justify your actions to people on this forum just give NPWS a quick phone call and you will have absolute clarification from the official source.johnw wrote:For the upper Grose Valley, it's managed from the Blackheath (Govetts Leap) office (02) 4787 8877.
Wed 29 Apr, 2020 7:14 pm
FatCanyoner wrote:There is no question that National Parks could improve their communication, particularly with closures, but it's also important to understand the limitations of closures covering large areas. If they were to list every single place an off-track walker could go, the closure pages would be impractically long. You must be taking the *&^%$#!. This is actually one of the clearest things to me. It states "All walking tracks into and around Grose Valley " are closed. To assume that means you can enter the valley off track seems bizarre to me.
Closed Areas wrote:All tracks and canyons in and around the Grose Valley including the Grand Canyon (northern escarpments)
There is no access permitted into the Jamison Valley, Kedumba or Grose Valley or any other remote areas.
FatCanyoner wrote:If in doubt, call them. The Blackhealth office is very responsive, as is the Hawkesbury one. They will answer specific questions for you. But best practice is to err on the side of caution, not look for technicalities to try and dodge them.
FatCanyoner wrote: Again, completely untrue. Most of the burnt areas in the Blue Mountains remain closed.
FatCanyoner wrote: In the Blue Mountains, the advice police have been given when you ring them up is that they will allow people to drive 15 to 20 minutes for excercise. If you'd called National Parks, they've have told you the Grose was closed. Likewise, I'm sure the police would have told you to stay away.
johnw wrote:Again I agree 100%. Repeating my earlier post:FatCanyoner wrote:If you'd called National Parks, they've have told you the Grose was closed.mandragara, Rather than trying to justify your actions to people on this forum just give NPWS a quick phone call and you will have absolute clarification from the official source.johnw wrote:For the upper Grose Valley, it's managed from the Blackheath (Govetts Leap) office (02) 4787 8877.
If you want further explanation as to why Grose Valley access is currently shut, ask to speak with the ranger responsible for that patch when they are available.
While I also agree that NPWS comms could be improved, at least two of the locations mentioned in the current alert are appended with "no access to Grose Valley".
Wed 29 Apr, 2020 7:37 pm
mandragara wrote: I just needed to get out of the house properly (i.e. not the supermarket queue which is are my local trails on the weekend, I'm sure you know what I mean).
Thanks for the replies. Perhaps I'll meet one of you on the trail someday, once things return to normal
Wed 29 Apr, 2020 7:44 pm
Warin wrote:I hope things 'return to normal' sooner than I expect.
I would have liked to go back to the Grose soon after the fires to see the regrowth having been down there a month or two before. Such was not to be.
I am going to try the 'local trails' when it next rains hard .. should keep most inside.
Wed 29 Apr, 2020 9:05 pm
Wed 29 Apr, 2020 11:19 pm
Neo wrote:Personally I think an off-track walk is fine, even given the fire and virus restrictions.
Neo wrote:Off-track is a unique capability, yet it is included when authorities only mention the most known locations. From NSWPWS info:
Hat Hill Road in Blue Mountains National Park closed due to floods and repairs.
All walking tracks into and around Grose Valley including Perrys (below Docker lookout), Cliff Top, Bridal Veil Falls, Rodriguez Pass, Victoria Falls, Mount Banks, Pierces Pass (Hungerfords) and Short Ridge (aka Lockleys Pylon closed below Pylon) due to fire damage.
So stating known walking tracks is for general public safety until they are checked. Technically the off-track bushwalker unfortunately included.
Closed Areas:
- All tracks and canyons in and around the Grose Valley including the Grand Canyon (northern escarpments)
- There is no access permitted into the Jamison Valley, Kedumba or Grose Valley or any other remote areas.
Thu 30 Apr, 2020 9:51 pm
Sat 02 May, 2020 9:40 am
FatCanyoner wrote:There is no question that National Parks could improve their communication, particularly with closures...
Sun 03 May, 2020 2:39 pm
"Where possible, walking tracks and low-traffic open spaces will remain open for the local community to exercise...
If you wish to exercise in a national park, choose a park close to your home. Non-essential travel is not permitted."
Sun 03 May, 2020 2:42 pm
Tue 05 May, 2020 3:58 pm
tom_brennan wrote:FatCanyoner wrote:There is no question that National Parks could improve their communication, particularly with closures...
To be honest, I tend to agree with Mandragara here. When one day they say that there "is no access permitted into the ... Grose Valley" and the next day they say under the closed list: "All walking tracks into and around Grose Valley", it certainly makes it appear that only the tracks are closed. If the valley as a whole is closed, just say "No access permitted into the Grose Valley", full stop. It's not hard! It shouldn't require a call to the parks office to translate.
FatCanyoner wrote: My reading of that aligns with the advice local police have been giving people who call them. If you're travelling from Sydney to go walking in the Blue Mountains, you are in breach of the public health restrictions.
FatCanyoner wrote: Going to the original issue of walking in closed areas, particularly recently burnt areas, I totally understand people's desire to go on adventures. ... These days I try to run my decisions through a matrix that prioritises nature over my own enjoyment.
FatCanyoner wrote: Oh, and on a complete tangent, I'm glad you've found value in the Curtec Kegs mandragara.
Wed 06 May, 2020 8:15 am
mandragara wrote: I now need to work out what sort of wetsuit I need to get for winter swims down the Wollangambe..
Wed 06 May, 2020 10:31 am
Wed 06 May, 2020 11:23 pm
Fri 08 May, 2020 1:32 pm
funbags wrote:is there a route opposite Zobel to ascend Mt Hay
Fri 08 May, 2020 5:54 pm
funbags wrote:Garrads Gulch up Mt Hay
Fri 08 May, 2020 6:47 pm
ribuck wrote:On Tom Brennan's website is his trip report for Mt Hay -> Shaw Gully -> Garrads Gulch -> Mt Banks, which you could reverse:
https://ozultimate.com/tom/bushwalking/ ... /index.htm
Fri 08 May, 2020 7:37 pm
FatCanyoner wrote:I'm not one for wetsuits (in most Blue Mountains canyons they can actually make you colder), but having swum the 'Gambe in the middle of winter, you definitely feel the cold a lot more at that time of year. A dry suit would be very luxurious. I'd probably recommend a 5mm wetsuit for comfort. Neoprene gloves would also be a good addition. I was in a 3mm wetsuit, with a polypro top too from memory, and it was my hands that got cold. I also wasn't using any floatation, so that didn't help.
If you're looking to expand your canyoning experiences, I'd recommend a few non-technical canyons (Hat Hill and Rocky Creek are two great ones). But learning to abseil makes a world of difference. Join a bushwalking club with an active canyoning program and you'll discover an amazing array of canyons.
FatCanyoner wrote:ribuck wrote:On Tom Brennan's website is his trip report for Mt Hay -> Shaw Gully -> Garrads Gulch -> Mt Banks, which you could reverse:
https://ozultimate.com/tom/bushwalking/ ... /index.htm
Great trip report. I haven't run into Kangaroo Thorn much around the Grose, but there seems to be a patch of it on many passes in the Blue Breaks. It's a plant not quickly forgotten, mostly because you spend the next hour removing thorns.
Fri 08 May, 2020 11:34 pm
tom_brennan wrote:funbags wrote:is there a route opposite Zobel to ascend Mt Hay
I can visualise reading an article or possibly something in a club magazine years ago regarding an ascent of Mt Hay Gully, which I believe is the one roughly opposite Zobel. But I have not found the article, so I can't give any more info than that. From memory it was a scrambling/climbing ascent, so perhaps more like David Crevasse than Zobel Gully.
Mon 11 May, 2020 5:31 pm
mandragara wrote:Mt Caley has, by far, the worst scrub I've encountered in the bush. I did an 8 day West-East traverse of the Wollemi, going on ridges, down into creeks etc. At no point did I encounter scrub as bad as what grows on Mt Caley. It's regrowing with avengence after the fires.
Grabeach wrote:I've read an article from an SBW mag in the Mitchelll Library, which is the one you probably would have seen, about an ascent in 1953. A rock climb was mentioned, as well as signs of a previous ascent. Frank Bendeich also told me of a later ascent they (Catholic BWC) made using a bit of old rope they found hanging down after heading up too early on their way to Shaw Gully.
Fri 15 May, 2020 3:25 pm
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