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What snake could this be, no pic

Postby walkon » Fri 10 Apr, 2015 6:09 am

On my first day on the aawt out from tharwa i had a snake have a real crack at me on the track, had to hit it with the walking poles several times to keep it away.
The size was huge at around 2.5mtr and fat, you would need two hands to fit around it. Colouring on top was jet black and is belly was a dark charcoal. The snake was really aggressive and actually came down the road to have a go at me. Biggest snake i have seen or want to see in the wild. I straightened one pole on it and bent the other. No pics as I was otherwise occupied and haven't been able to find the snake online.
Been a good walk so far and have been enjoying it immensely. Just packing getting ready to go from Thredbo.
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby neilmny » Fri 10 Apr, 2015 8:40 am

Sounds like a tiger....the so called Black Tiger Snake although 2.5 metres is incredibly long.

.....hows the underwear :shock:
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby north-north-west » Fri 10 Apr, 2015 9:07 am

2.5 metres long and two hands to wrap around is a little adrenalin exaggerating things. It happens. Tigers don't get that big. Few Australian snakes do, just the larger pythons. And, in fact, there aren't any snakes in the high country that get that big around.
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby GPSGuided » Fri 10 Apr, 2015 9:18 am

Something that long and you poked with a meter long walking pole? You are very brave.
Just move it!
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby Empty » Fri 10 Apr, 2015 9:29 am

Ease up on the port mate.
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby MartyGwynne » Fri 10 Apr, 2015 10:10 am

Ha I am sure the adrenaline get the better of us BUT I do understand it was a big one not just a littlie. It sounds like a very dark tiger to go the full on aggression or even a black snake (maybe red belly was unseen). I would also say it was very well fed over summer and you happened upon its spot which it wanted to protect.
You did well not to be bitten by it and I don't want to know about your underpants.
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby Maaxxx » Fri 10 Apr, 2015 7:27 pm

Going by coloration and size, I'd be inclined to think red-bellied black but I wouldn't be rolling it over to check! I've seen some fairly large ones but 2.5m is getting up there. Never come across one that aggressive though, but I guess, if it's had a bad day ................?

Another possibility is the blue-bellied black. http://australianmuseum.net.au/blue-bellied-black-snake Theoretically out of its range but I have certainly seen one in East Gippsland. Appearance and behaviour, according to the link, could fit the description though.
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby Hallu » Fri 10 Apr, 2015 9:42 pm

The two hand thing could only be an error of judgement or a feral pet python, escaped from some house. You should ring animal control and see if they haven't heard of any escaped python if you're sure of your size evaluation.
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby horsecat » Sat 11 Apr, 2015 11:31 pm

The Red Bellied ones do get a bit large...
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby Hiking Noob » Sun 12 Apr, 2015 12:00 am

Inland Taipan gets pretty dark in cool climates-

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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby north-north-west » Sun 12 Apr, 2015 7:52 am

horsecat wrote:The Red Bellied ones do get a bit large...

Perspective distorts the apparent size on that one. It's nowhere near as big as the pictures suggest.

Where's jackhinde when we need him? He's our resident snake expert. I'm sure he could sort this out pretty quickly.
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby Suz » Sun 12 Apr, 2015 8:35 am

Tigers can get that large - it's at the extreme end of their size, and can be very dark on top, but tend to have yellow bellies. Red bellies get that large too, sometimes they have light / cream / pink bellies but I've not heard of charcoal. Maybe a highland copperhead although I'm not sure if they get that large, also their bellies tend to be more a pale colour? Taipans do not appear in NSW. Eastern browns can be very dark too.

To some degree you can figure out the snake if you remember the head (e.g. tiny head or wide head), also the strike pattern it used. E.g. eastern browns sit up and form an shape to get into strike position.
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby highercountry » Sun 12 Apr, 2015 10:09 am

I doubt very much the snake came down the road to have a go at you. They can't see or hear anywhere near as well as us.
More likely you were just unlucky enough to be in the path of the snake's intended travel.
When it got close though it's been startled and reacted aggressively, which Tiger's sometimes do, Black Snakes rarely get that angry.
No Taipans or Blue Bellied Blacks in the high country.
I've seen similar dark slate coloured Copperheads in the mountains but nowhere near that size. Probably a Tiger.
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby walkon » Wed 15 Apr, 2015 5:56 pm

Just got to Johnnies top and got enough reception. Certainly wasn't the adrenalin over estimating the size. When you are backing up then crossing to the far side of the road i got a fair look at it. i did *&%$#! myself figuratively speaking though it was very close, to close for me.
Nnw i see heaps of snakes in my travels and can name most very quickly though this one had me stumped that's why i asked
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby jackhinde » Wed 15 Apr, 2015 6:18 pm

Your initial description, physical and behavioural, matches no snake on mainland Australia, let alone that area.
You have either stumbled upon some previously unknown species/mutant, or you are deeply mistaken in your remembrance (ease up on the port indeed).
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby Hiking Noob » Wed 15 Apr, 2015 7:01 pm

Maybe the QLD Police released something exotic down here too, hahaha!
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby devoswitch » Thu 16 Apr, 2015 8:21 am

My guess would be a Tiger. I've come across some really huge ones in Tassie, some you would definitely need a couple of hands to get around them. Also bring at higher altitude they tend to be mostly Black/ash coloured to help maximise the absorption of the heat from the sun.
Also when you tend to startle them I find they flatten out a little and come towards you for a few slithers and then turn away as if in some sort of warning display.
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Re: What snake could this be, no pic

Postby Moondog55 » Tue 12 May, 2015 3:53 pm

Given a good diet and a long life I see no reason to exclude an extra large Tiger snake just because there hasn't been a record before this.
The Chappel Island sub-species does seem to be able to grow that large
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