Please help change our Australian tradition

[tandeman]

Hi everyone, I'm Tan
The important problem we're facing between the Aboriginal communities and the western Australian communities is the attitude towards each other. My group and I are working on this issue to reconcile the two communities.
I'm currently studying social entrepreneurship and my project is about helping the Aboriginal people. I was thinking that we could help them by encouraging people to learn about them. Because their valuable knowledge about the bush is incredible attractive (imo), we can set up camps for people to come and learn the bush skills and their culture in a fun and exciting environment. However!!!!, first thing for me to do is to do some market research. I'm wondering if you could help me finish this survey. It's only a reallllly quick survey (promise). Because your club could be the main target group for our project, your help is huge. Thanks in advance.
here is the link to our survey! Thanks heaps. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ZZVKBDK

If you have any suggestions or comments, feel free to shout out as well. Thank you very much

[Zone-5]

[icefest]

Two spam posts? Why zone-5?

[GPSGuided]

Double SPAM sandwich... How I miss them!

[vicrev]

Fried Spam....Mmmm

[Zone-5]

Two spam posts? Why zone-5?

Hi there...
It's just me reporting a spammer here on the forum with a funny picture for light relief. Reasoning is that his first and only post may be an exercise in online 'phishing' dubbed market research and it's not even relevant to bush walking... Rules 2 & 5 apply here.

Content must not include propaganda, advertising, marketing or promotion for, by, or on behalf of, any organisation or entity whether commercial, non-profit, voluntary, lobby-group, political group or otherwise.

So I have reported it as SPAM.

PS: ...have I done something wrong here?

[GPSGuided]

Nope!

[photohiker]

I think you may be over reacting.

This is just a survey, it doesn't ask for any ID, just basic age etc. It appears to be exactly what the OP is stating: Would you attend an Aboriginal led education event, what would you value learning, and what might you pay for such an event etc. It's not representing an existing business, but a potential one.

Surveymonkey is the established and respected survey site. It is not a phishing site.

We've had other surveys here of the same nature, and I don't remember any of them called spam before.

[GPSGuided]

Might have been better tolerated if this was posted in a more appropriate sub-forum.

[rmccrory]

There is some interesting reading on a few of the camping forums re this guy and his mate from Lake Gregory WA

[mikethepike]

The reference to SPAM is most unfortunate and the frivolous follow up was no help either. Thanks photohiker. I didn't even know what the Spam was referring to! I've had the experience several times of seeing western desert aborigines food gathering, lighting fires with no firelighter and tracking. Unfortunately books directed at Europeans on bush food finding seem to be invariably concerned with the tropics and not desert areas where you would be really put to the task in trying too survive. The survey is looking at the idea of an education project based on Frazer Island. Of course there's room for that but I'd love to see desert aborigines teach their skills. Those skills, developed to an incredibly high degree, are in danger of eventually being lost. I once asked Walpiri people I was staying with if they would show me the source of their orgainic araldite - the tough glue-mastic they use for joining stone to spear throwers etc. The women took me to a suitable site - the base of the spinifex/ porcupine plants, not just any plants but the ones that had the right look about them. The plants was colleceted, shaken out on a mat and then heated. Amazing stuff but inclined to soften and melt if left on car dashboards in the blazing sun. Of course it was never designed to withstand such treatment! Water and shade are your main concerns in the desert and without local kmowledge of water sources, you're cooked.
And no, this post is NOT spam. Just a researcher legitimately seeking help from an audience that might have an interest.

[Nuts]

This did sound interesting, odd though, the survey points to Fraser Is. as an example, far from WA? Maybe more background, studying what? where? might help (as far as the survey response goes)

[Eremophila]

I must say the patronising tone and "us/them" references got me offside immediately.
The researcher appears to have little knowledge of Aboriginal enterprise and engaging with communities, IMO.

[Strider]

I was happy filling it out, until I got to the final question and realised there were commercial interests at play. No thanks.

[photohiker]

I was happy filling it out, until I got to the final question and realised there were commercial interests at play. No thanks.

This question?

9. How much would be a reasonable price for you to pay to have a camp for 2-3 days in Fraser Island, hiking, fun activities, attend workshops, learn the skills straight from an Aboriginal community: price including meals and accommodation in tents

If a group is going to offer that kind of opportunity, should it be free? I can't imagine this could be much more than a cost covering exercise...

[Zone-5]

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[walkerchris77]

Go spam. Nothing beats fried spam. The meat type not the internet crap. Aldi do a fake one its still pretty good. I think with spam u either love it or hate it. Always take a tin when camping

[photohiker]

I think you may be over reacting.

I really don't think so. I can spot $PAM tactics easily and this is a typical $PAM post!

This is a bit over the top. Having access to Aboriginal customs and survival methods is functional to bushwalking. This potential course would not be the first of it's type, I have done some nature and Aboriginal heritage/custom sessions in the northern Flinders and found them most enjoyable and informative, even came home with a pair of clapping sticks I made under instruction.

[Strider]

I was happy filling it out, until I got to the final question and realised there were commercial interests at play. No thanks.

This question?

9. How much would be a reasonable price for you to pay to have a camp for 2-3 days in Fraser Island, hiking, fun activities, attend workshops, learn the skills straight from an Aboriginal community: price including meals and accommodation in tents

If a group is going to offer that kind of opportunity, should it be free? I can't imagine this could be much more than a cost covering exercise...

Yes. My objection is to the commercialisation of Aboriginal history.

[north-north-west]

But it's fine to commercialise Port Arthur, Glenrowan and any bit of post-settlement history people think they can screw a few bucks out of?

OK

[photohiker]

I was happy filling it out, until I got to the final question and realised there were commercial interests at play. No thanks.

This question?

9. How much would be a reasonable price for you to pay to have a camp for 2-3 days in Fraser Island, hiking, fun activities, attend workshops, learn the skills straight from an Aboriginal community: price including meals and accommodation in tents

If a group is going to offer that kind of opportunity, should it be free? I can't imagine this could be much more than a cost covering exercise...

Yes. My objection is to the commercialisation of Aboriginal history.

Except this is not history, it is culture, knowledge and skills. Any Aboriginal workshop I have been to, (I admit, only a handful), has been hands on, has not been expensive, and most have been in a supported environment. The sessions have never been full, and they have run over time due to the interest from the participants.

This is not commercialisation IMO, it is cost recovery and some basic employment for those delivering the sessions.

[Eremophila]

I'd have no objection to paying for such an activity, if it were an Aboriginal-owned enterprise and reasonably authentic.

However, as mentioned by photohiker, this certainly wouldn't be the first of its kind. So I'm wondering why the OP seems to think it's such a revolutionary idea - and has he/she studied any existing models?

I was also wondering what activities on Fraser Island have to do with Western Australia.... but I think by "western Australian communities", the OP is referring to the western/European/non-Aboriginal community.

[Zone-5]

[photohiker]

Correct, Zone-5. It is not Spam.

It appears to be a student group's project. If you search google for the heading, you will find it posted in a few outdoors forums and no-where else.

That's not how spam works. There is no product for sale or any phishing site you are being led to, just a survey for the students' potential project.

[GPSGuided]

Definition on 'spam': Electronic spamming is the use of electronic messaging systems to send unsolicited messages (spam), especially advertising, as well as sending messages repeatedly on the same site. While the most widely recognized form of spam is email spam, the term is applied to similar abuses in other media.

[vicrev]

Amazing,isn't it ,initiative shown by the true & traditional owners of the land & it is met with a negative response......as always.shame,shame....even a little bit of support would be great !!....

[vicrev]

I was happy filling it out, until I got to the final question and realised there were commercial interests at play. No thanks.

This question?

9. How much would be a reasonable price for you to pay to have a camp for 2-3 days in Fraser Island, hiking, fun activities, attend workshops, learn the skills straight from an Aboriginal community: price including meals and accommodation in tents

If a group is going to offer that kind of opportunity, should it be free? I can't imagine this could be much more than a cost covering exercise...

Yes. My objection is to the commercialisation of Aboriginal history.

All history is commercialised ,every time you buy a book,watch a film,etc,etc.....If the elders OK it,what is wrong with them making a living out of their history/culture,good on them, the church & various Governments & racist p&%#*s have abused them long enough............

[corvus]

Unlikely to do so however I would be happy to pay for this experience if it was closer to home,it would be nice if the same thing happened in Tassie .

[tasadam]

Really?
This is a new poster to the forum, I saw it as relevant and decided to approve it because this forum contains a wealth of people who are not only interested in the subject, but might care to offer the poster some useful advice.
If you feel it is spam, report it or ignore it.
Now I have a host of work to do cleaning this topic up, which I will do another time, for now it remains locked.