Things you hate, dislike or annoy you when camping/bushwalki

[swhite]

Cairns. Destroy them all.

[north-north-west]

Cairns. Destroy them all.

No.
For instance, we have some large, historic cairns on peaks in Tassie. Damaging them is vandalism.
They're useful in helping determine exactly which spot is the actual summit of a peak.
They're major navigation aids on boulder fields, and we have a lot of established routes through, up and over boulder fields.

Rock-stacking for *&^%$#@! and giggles is a different thing: that sort of thing needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

[swhite]

Lat long pls

[crollsurf]

Cairns. Destroy them all.

As NNW says, plus after a while, they have become habitat for plants and animals.

All those things I leave for the land managers to decide what to do


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[north-north-west]

*deleted. See below

[north-north-west]

Lat long pls

Excuse me? Of what? Do I need to supply co-ords of every Sprent cairn or other historic marker on the island? And if you mean "use digital nav" it wiill not get you through a complex boulder field. The systems just aren't that consistently accurate. Nor are the maps when trying to determine a summit point. I've found major errors in carefully compiled and field-checked summit lists.

And there's the habitat issue, as crollsurf noted. For instance, the original large cairns marking Ritters Track across the CPCA into the Walls have been there for close on a century and have become part of the local environment, having been colonised by mosses, lichens, lizards and numerous invertebrate species. We have enough of a homelessness problem without adding to it.

[swhite]

I don't use digital nav, nor do I care if I've definitely reached the summit - I'm not ticking off or counting anything.
I find it incredibly annoying to head out bush and see anything man made - cairns, signs or huts. Humans just can't help but leave their mark, as if this entire planet is there for a single species to dominate.

[north-north-west]

With the exception of essential navigation aids, I tend to agree. But does that mean you only ever walk off-track?

[Walk_fat boy_walk]

Humans just can't help but leave their mark, as if this entire planet is there for a single species to dominate.

Agree. And there is no bigger human impact than humans themselves. Assume you'll lead the resistance by not venturing into the wild at all? Re these man-made cairns you mention, I'm flabbergasted that these are allowed to exist, although personally am yet to see one (have only seen the ones assembled from rocks).

(Sarcasm off) They can be a blight on the landscape when assembled indiscriminately (eg mt owen in the budawangs, but are important navigational markers in many other situations. And they're lower impact than (er) man made markers like signs, painted dots/arrows, yellow triangles etc.

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[swhite]

With the exception of essential navigation aids, I tend to agree. But does that mean you only ever walk off-track?

I try. I wish. Wouldn't be lovely to never see a track? Imagine the gross-impact of half a dozen near retirement doctors flying to Tassie to walk the Overland?

[swhite]

Humans just can't help but leave their mark, as if this entire planet is there for a single species to dominate.

Agree. And there is no bigger human impact than humans themselves. Assume you'll lead the resistance by not venturing into the wild at all? Re these man-made cairns you mention, I'm flabbergasted that these are allowed to exist, although personally am yet to see one (have only seen the ones assembled from rocks).

(Sarcasm off) They can be a blight on the landscape when assembled indiscriminately (eg mt owen in the budawangs, but are important navigational markers in many other situations. And they're lower impact than (er) man made markers like signs, painted dots/arrows, yellow triangles etc.

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Looks like your sarcasm button had a bit of fit?
Resistance? There is a small one, but the courts of our freedom-loving democracy have imprisoned its members and keep those released under surveillance.
Wild? What wild? You mean the lesser degraded portions of our country, emptied of much indigenous fauna, what remains much reduced in population, contaminated with PFAS, filled with invasive species, rained upon by plastic, trying to exist in a mid-Pliocene atmosphere changing more rapidly than any time in the last 66 million years, warmed to Eemian levels, and probably recently burned to a crisp leaving white skeletons?
Not venturing in the wild? That holds some merit, but only because of the pollution I'd emit getting there. Even an LFP EV will emit about 2 trillion tyre particles per km. Once there I'd only leave a poo day and some footprints - I don't light fires; another hate of mine. I'm looking at you Vallejo Gantner hut Boomers.

Given the mess we've made of this planet, I think it's about time we empty our parks of our junk - "Heritage" for government employees.

[north-north-west]

With the exception of essential navigation aids, I tend to agree. But does that mean you only ever walk off-track?

I try. I wish. Wouldn't be lovely to never see a track? Imagine the gross-impact of half a dozen near retirement doctors flying to Tassie to walk the Overland?

There are a few places I'm glad of them. A lot of SW and western Tassie, for instance. Otherwise, yeah they're just the quickest way to get to where the real walking starts.
The Overland isn't a track, it's a tollway and, like tollways everywhere, attracts the most entitled, clueless numpties around.

[swhite]

With the exception of essential navigation aids, I tend to agree. But does that mean you only ever walk off-track?

I try. I wish. Wouldn't be lovely to never see a track? Imagine the gross-impact of half a dozen near retirement doctors flying to Tassie to walk the Overland?

There are a few places I'm glad of them. A lot of SW and western Tassie, for instance. Otherwise, yeah they're just the quickest way to get to where the real walking starts.
The Overland isn't a track, it's a tollway and, like tollways everywhere, attracts the most entitled, clueless numpties around.

BYO water, day trips only then?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -the-world

[swhite]

$40 million to construct a walk? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-21/ ... /104247476

Yeah I hate that too. It's yet to be named; considering my above post, how's FUBAR?

[craigprice]

Back on topic - board walks and camp platforms that are not maintained. Put there at great expense and effort to protect the area, then not maintained.

[swhite]

Back on topic - board walks and camp platforms that are not maintained. Put there at great expense and effort to protect the area, then not maintained.

Here's your answer -
"...the feasibility study released in 2021 revealed walkers should expect to pay $576 to stay in the huts and $288 to camp."
Same topic isn't it?

[craigprice]

That’s a lot when the board walks have planks missing and the platforms are falling apart. But I’m ok to pay fees if that would help fund maintenance. I’d much rather a user pays arrangement than trying to source funds from collective revenue.

[north-north-west]

A Parks Pass is not enough "user pays"?
Besides, this isn't about funding essential maintenance; it's about monetisation and commercialisation of the wilderness. That's always the end game with the misgovernment, especially in Tassie. The bits they can't dig up or cut down will be made to produce a profit one way or another.

[Lophophaps]

A Parks Pass is not enough "user pays"?
Besides, this isn't about funding essential maintenance; it's about monetisation and commercialisation of the wilderness. That's always the end game with the misgovernment, especially in Tassie. The bits they can't dig up or cut down will be made to produce a profit one way or another.

Another aspect is that excessive fees discriminates against people on lower incomes. School students are also at risk of finding the cost too great. My bushwalking, ski touring and rockclimbing trips involved several thousand dollars in gear that mostly lasts for at least a decade, with some still in use 40 years later. The gear cost is a few dollars a day. The trip costs not much, certainly less than going to a nightclub. Even the footy is expensive. Park passes are acceptable, as are a bit more for some walks like the OLT and Larapinta. Paying $576 to stay in the huts and $288 to camp is far too much. From memory the Falls Hotham platforms are $35 a night, also too much. I find a nice patch of grass nearby, quite happy and free.

[ricrunner]

The noisy bushwalkers. Once upon a time, you could walk a track with a friend or two, not only would they not talk, but everyone else wouldn't talk as well. Now everyone is yappingloudly and yes every yelling out. You never see wildlife much anymore on these tracks due to the noise they make, it sts me.

[ricrunner]

The noisy bushwalkers. Once upon a time, you could walk a track with a friend or two, not only would they not talk, but everyone else wouldn't talk as well. Now everyone is yappingloudly and yes even yelling out. You never see wildlife much anymore on these tracks due to the noise they make, it sts me.

[rcaffin]

the feasibility study released in 2021 revealed walkers should expect to pay $576 to stay in the huts and $288 to camp.
The mind boggles. Which planet? Or what narcotics?
Perhaps more germane: what vested interest ran the feasibility study? For sure, no bushwalkers were anywhere near them.

Cheers
Roger

[Lostsoul]

I hate how big the hiking craze has got,probably because of insta and Facebook.Hopefully it’s just a fad and the crowds will move on to some other hobby!

[Lophophaps]

I hate how big the hiking craze has got,probably because of insta and Facebook.Hopefully it’s just a fad and the crowds will move on to some other hobby!

It's like a race. Rush to a destination, take a few selfies and other pictures, rush back. Or set up a social media account with bushwalking look at moi as the theme. Sometimes wannabe bushwalkers get into real strife with no gear, food or water. Some are lucky to be alive. Some die. In the Blue Mountains a part set off for a long day walk with under a litre of water on dry ridges. I have a vague recollection of a person on the OLT with minimal gear. Ill-equipped parties seem to be rescued a lot from the Kitchen Hut to Waterfall region. I'm happy that most of my walking is in remote regions with minimal people. All that I meet have adequate experience and gear.

[Camminata]

I hate how big the hiking craze has got,probably because of insta and Facebook.Hopefully it’s just a fad and the crowds will move on to some other hobby!

It's like a race. Rush to a destination, take a few selfies and other pictures, rush back. Or set up a social media account with bushwalking look at moi as the theme. Sometimes wannabe bushwalkers get into real strife with no gear, food or water. Some are lucky to be alive. Some die. In the Blue Mountains a part set off for a long day walk with under a litre of water on dry ridges. I have a vague recollection of a person on the OLT with minimal gear. Ill-equipped parties seem to be rescued a lot from the Kitchen Hut to Waterfall region. I'm happy that most of my walking is in remote regions with minimal people. All that I meet have adequate experience and gear.

The insta crowd are slowly killing the remote regions while they add location of every nook and cranny of the bush, I use insta but will never add the location, if you know you know..