Any others use *&^%$#! bottles??

[David M]

I'm investigating packing out crap as well. It's the most ecologically sound method.

Human poop is not ecologically unsound of itself. People ARE part of the natural environment. It only presents a problem when it is in unusually large quantities beyond the environment's ability to absorb it or it is improperly disposed of creating an aesthetic issue or a health issue if dumped (no pun intended) into streams etc. that other walkers will drink from. If it can be buried, I see no general reason to "carry out". Where there is a "carry out" policy in the USA it is at places like Mt Whitney where it is physically impossible to dig a "cat hole" because the ground is made either of solid rock or boulders. I am not aware of any similar situation in Australia.

[Snowzone]

I'm investigating packing out crap as well. It's the most ecologically sound method.

Human poop is not ecologically unsound of itself. People ARE part of the natural environment. It only presents a problem when it is in unusually large quantities beyond the environment's ability to absorb it or it is improperly disposed of creating an aesthetic issue or a health issue if dumped (no pun intended) into streams etc. that other walkers will drink from. If it can be buried, I see no general reason to "carry out". Where there is a "carry out" policy in the USA it is at places like Mt Whitney where it is physically impossible to dig a "cat hole" because the ground is made either of solid rock or boulders. I am not aware of any similar situation in Australia.

I see it as a big issue in the Alpine areas of australia. All very well digging your hole in the snow but what happens when the snow melts.

[Lotsafreshair]

You guys are hilarious. You forget that one of the best things about getting out of your bag/tent/fly in the middle of the night is the chance to see stars like you've never seen before...
...As a chick, I have to cling to this as the reward we get for the necessity of our anatomy. Taking a quiet moment, mastering the squatting technique of Pacific Islanders who could talk for hours in the crouched position, and being amazed in wonder of the silence and the milky way.

I've just come back from the Huayhuash in Peru, so don't claim it's to do with the cold, as it was friggin freezing out there at 2am...

If you pee in a bottle... I reckon you miss out.

[Bluegum Mic]

Perhaps lotsafreshair but I can recall one fine evening, camped near Kosi at 2000 odd meters, 3am and minus 3 (without the windchill) blowing and absolute gale thinking how much I wished I were a boy at that moment in time. My nether regions took some time to thaw after that experience

[corvus]

Hey Mic,
Do those female"whizzer" things not work ? you do get a pipe which would be insertable I believe ?
corvus

[Strider]

Hey Mic,
Do those female"whizzer" things not work ? you do get a pipe which would be insertable I believe ?
corvus

I hope you mean insertable into the BOTTLE!

[Lotsafreshair]

Indeed Strider.

The "Femme Funnel" or "She-wee" is what I guess you're referring to. Yech. If I use it in the night, then I've got to put it somewhere until morning when I wash it out and carry it. We'd still need to get out of our bag and half standup anyway to do the gravity fed thing that these funnels need. Might as well just go outside.

Mind you, I've never snow camped... So this could possibly change my mind! And for those serious 7000m+ chicks... I get it.

[Lotsafreshair]

Perhaps lotsafreshair but I can recall one fine evening, camped near Kosi at 2000 odd meters, 3am and minus 3 (without the windchill) blowing and absolute gale thinking how much I wished I were a boy at that moment in time. My nether regions took some time to thaw after that experience

Yep... I've had those moments... But I guess when they were 13 and at the local swimming pool they might have wished they were girls.

[corvus]

Zip lock bag !! and why yech it is only a small amount of pee
corvus

[Lotsafreshair]

Zip lock bag !! and why yech it is only a small amount of pee
corvus

Depends how dehydrated I am.

[Son of a Beach]

I get out of bed and out of the tent during the night in any weather. My clothes don't get wet in the rain because I don't wear clothes to bed, except maybe undies sometimes.

Sure it can get crazy cold some nights, but if its raining very heavy or very cold, I'll put on the rain coat, or a jumper. It's only for a minute or two, and it doesn't take that long to warm up again after getting back into the sleeping bag.

I do enjoy getting out at night when its a nice night, and when its raining and cold, I figure its only a couple of minutes and not really a problem.

I'm not at all interested in pissing into a bottle, but I can understand that it suits some people and their situations.

[Nuts]

Its not a drama getting out. I don't usually need to, very rare, but some older people can be up and down all night. A bottle is clean enough.
I once worked with a girl who used a bucket in the hut.. call me old timedy but there was something just 'wrong' there!! I'd suggest something best kept for a few years into marriage if there is a bloke around

[cdg]

I believe urine is generated at the following rate: 10 milliliters per kg of bodyweight per hour. Thats without any extra effort added such as a six pack of beer. So if you dont drink before going to sleep, you will still be accumulating that volume (based on the formula) in your bladder overnight.

[Strider]

I believe urine is generated at the following rate: 10 milliliters per kg of bodyweight per hour.

Is this an average? Obviously this depends on a multitude of external factors.

[gayet]

10ml x 75 kg x 24hrs = 18000ml = 18 litres per day.

I think not

microlitres maybe?

[Strider]

10ml x 75 kg x 24hrs = 18000ml = 18 litres per day.

I think not

microlitres maybe?

Even 1.8L a day is optimistic...

[weetbix456]

This one is a great one for festivals. No one wants to lose that special front row spot they've been working towards for the better part of 2 hours, and no one wants to be the dry guy. I've only done it a few times but the best was waiting and waiting around for Bobby Dylan up in Byron. Just make sure you cap that bomb up before you sky rocket it over you're head

[Lotsafreshair]

All this talk has made me need to...

... Write a blogpost! http://lotsafreshair.com/2012/08/13/poos-wees-and-other-mysteries/

Again, this is aimed at encouraging newbies and spelling out all those things that I wished someone had told me when I started.

[Taurë-rana]

Have just found this thread and been thoroughly entertained, not sure what that says about me

As a woman I don't have a hose to put in the bottle but I have mastered the squat over a 1L Nalgene wide mouth bottle. Doubles as a hot water bottle when used.

Sounds like a good idea!
I have to confess to having peed in the tent in the night into a container because it was pouring, I was absolutely freezing and there was no way I was going outside. Unfortunately there was some leakage which I was mortified about until I realised in the morning that it wasn't such a big deal, staying warm was by far more important. Urine is sterile anyway when it leaves the body. Think we get too hung up about things that are perhaps not quite so important...
I now have a Whiz, but training oneself to use it is an interesting procedure.

[icemancometh]

kiwis have been using poo pots for years...good idea esp in alpine, snow, need to keep water sources clean

more people should use them

I don't know anyone who uses them directly though, often doing their business on a corn starch bag/liner or shopping bag and then wrapping and storing in the pot.

[Rob A]

Ive never seen a kiwi even close a door. Where do they use the pots? Hotels?

[cams]

Have just found this thread and been thoroughly entertained, not sure what that says about me

As a woman I don't have a hose to put in the bottle but I have mastered the squat over a 1L Nalgene wide mouth bottle. Doubles as a hot water bottle when used.

Sounds like a good idea!
I have to confess to having peed in the tent in the night into a container because it was pouring, I was absolutely freezing and there was no way I was going outside. Unfortunately there was some leakage which I was mortified about until I realised in the morning that it wasn't such a big deal, staying warm was by far more important. Urine is sterile anyway when it leaves the body. Think we get too hung up about things that are perhaps not quite so important...
I now have a Whiz, but training oneself to use it is an interesting procedure.

In Bear's book about climbing Everest he wrote about one night at camp 3 I think it was where he lost grip of his entire pee bottle which went all over his sleeping bag. Hehe

[Lizzy]

10ml x 75 kg x 24hrs = 18000ml = 18 litres per day.

I think not

microlitres maybe?

Even 1.8L a day is optimistic...

more likely 0.5ml/kg/hour
so for a 70kg person about 35ml/hour=840 ml/day

[Macca81]

10ml x 75 kg x 24hrs = 18000ml = 18 litres per day.

I think not

microlitres maybe?

Even 1.8L a day is optimistic...

more likely 0.5ml/kg/hour
so for a 70kg person about 35ml/hour=840 ml/day

Probably an odd thing to do, but I think I want to keep my wee for a day to actually work this out... Is that totally strange?

Sent from my obscenely large android phone...

[nq111]

Where there is a "carry out" policy in the USA it is at places like Mt Whitney where it is physically impossible to dig a "cat hole" because the ground is made either of solid rock or boulders.

Yeah - it is weird aiming into a ziplock bag and disconcerting at first to have that packed in the backpack. Fortunately frozen poo does not seem to leak

[north-north-west]

I now have a Whiz, but training oneself to use it is an interesting procedure.

It's not so much the training as the actual using that I have trouble with. It doesn't fit in a pocket, so I have to put the pack down to get at it, and by then I figure I might as well drop my strides anyway.
Maybe I'm just too old to learn something as counter-instinctive as peeing whilst standing.

[Wolfix]

Mine fits in my pocket. I'm going to try the PStyle and do a review thread on all STP devices.

[Strider]

Probably an odd thing to do, but I think I want to keep my wee for a day to actually work this out...

You don't need to keep it. Just measure at each visit and tip it out.

[paddlpop]

I use a bottle on the yak but hiking not.
The dehydrated food pouch is perfect....stands up on it's own and has ziploc seal. So after evening meal leave it handy ...use then leave in vestibule til morning....empty...reseal ..and carry out.
Too easy....no extra bottles / weight to carry.

[north-north-west]

I use a bottle on the yak but hiking not.
The dehydrated food pouch is perfect....stands up on it's own and has ziploc seal. So after evening meal leave it handy ...use then leave in vestibule til morning....empty...reseal ..and carry out.
Too easy....no extra bottles / weight to carry.

Hmmmm, I must remember that next time the weather's too miserable to go outside for a leak.