Adelaide's Park Lands to be sold off!

[Zone-5]

Adelaide's Park Lands to be sold off!

[photohiker]

I can't find the real estate advert for the parklands sale. Can you post a link?

[north-north-west]

They aren't being sold off. It's construction creep that's been going on for decades. Chewing away at the parklands with re-zoning, roads, cemeteries, sports stadia and the like.

They started corrupting Light's vision a long time ago.

[wander]

Not quite true.

There has been very little real creep into the park lands for many years. And having been involved in a sports club that have a club room in the parkland I can assure you it is close to impossible to do anything other maintain or remove the facility.

As for the planned road business that has go folks up in arms, a road is to be closed and returned to park land and a new road built. So there is a land swap being proposed / planned. I'm unsure I support the plan on traffic grounds which is very separate to the grand claims the parks lands is being sold off to make roads.

A lot of new development that could have gone on the park lands such as the netball centre and athletics centre could have been dumped in the West park lands, but space was found for them in old rail and industrial land next door.

The only real creep I can think of into the park lands possibly (and I am do not know if any really happened) is about the Adelaide Oval.

The Wine Centre could be argued to have been built in the park lands, but the area it is in has had buildings on it a long time ago. Not really an excuse, but my point is it was not a new park land grab, but a continuation of an old building. On the up side in the same area the old tram barns area has been returned to park land. So there have in recent years been an increase in park land in this area. So it is not true to claim park land loss is a one way street.

It would be good if the old RAH site could be returned to park land, than was an early plan for the site. But it looks like that most of the area, hopefully not all will be a high school.

That said about the RAH area, the Bice and McEwin buildings were subject to heritage controls (and possibly another building maybe the Eleanor Harald?) and these maybe hard to remove. They have both been internally much modified, I worked on the construction project that did this work to create the current RAH entrance.

[Zone-5]

Infact TRUE!

I'm with the National Trust and APPA and we have been fighting the new development plans for the last couple of years now. Once Rau get his new planning laws in in the next couple of months it's a free for all those new Chinese developers to take over...

[wander]

Really, they want to build in the actual park lands, I'll have to look into that report.

It's not like there is a shortage of land inside the city itself.

[Zone-5]

Really, they want to build in the actual park lands, I'll have to look into that report.

YES! The state government see it as just free land to be given away use to boost the empty state coffers!

The reason why Wetherall has been in China on a trade mission for the past two weeks spruking the free land offer!

[wander]

Well there you go, my digging has suggested the land proposed is typically the strip along Greenhill Road, on the North side in the park lands.

I agree this is not on.

The land in question is currently more sports grounds than park lands in use. Every sports club will be able to motivate it's members to protest the loos or re-location of their grounds.

It will be political suicide to proceed with this development of the park lands.

And I thought the trip to China was for the food.

[Zone-5]

Here is the video...

http://www.todaytonightadelaide.com.au/ ... ival-plaza

http://cdn.video.todaytonightadelaide.c ... a_1500.mp4

[wander]

Sorry, I do not consider today tonight to be journalism with any credibility.

The story you have linked to has been widely reported for a few weeks now.

I can't say I consider the area in question to be park lands.

I do have separate issues with the proposal to build a 20 story building between Parliament House at the Casino / Train Station. But real in formation is sketchy and contradictory at present.

[Zone-5]

Ok, then get it from the developer!



https://renewalsa.sa.gov.au/projects/gr ... recinct-2/

The information I have posted here on this site may be sketchy at most but for the rest of SA the plans to redevelop the entire Torrens to 20 story hi-rise and the whole of Victoria Park to an international conference centre is state gov gazetted.

In the first video, note the HUGE transparent building in the background they will actually build in jet black!




These are promotional videos designed to give you the best result but to achieve this would be to clear the original park lands, sell it to a developer to rebuild it with a commercial interest in it's place!

Why can't they just leave it alone! It's not theirs to sell off...

[Zone-5]

PROOF!

There will be a general meeting at The Box Factory, Adelaide on 30th July, with a presentation from Matthew Loader, the DPTI bureaucrat driving the planning reform process. We are hoping for an update on forthcoming draft planning legislation, and even the extent to which stakeholder consultation may have influenced the process. Full meeting agenda to be notified in due course.

The Planning Minister has released the draft Park Lands Development Plan Amendment (DPA) for consultation until 15th July:

“The purpose of the DPA is to review land use policy within the Park Lands Zone to ensure that appropriate public infrastructure projects— such as the O-Bahn City Access Project—can be assessed on ‘merit’, with a focus on selected Policy Areas within the Zone. The proposed changes in the DPA will see the removal of ‘public infrastructure works’ from being considered as non-complying forms of development in selected Policy Areas of the Park Lands Zone.”

Further info available at http://www.sa.gov.au/topics/housing-property-and-land/local-government/development-plans/amendments-to-development-plans-proposed-by-the-minister/park-lands-zone-amendment

Purpose of the amendment:

The purpose of the DPA is to review land use policy within the Park Lands Zone of the Adelaide (City) Development Plan to ensure that appropriate public infrastructure projects—such as elements of the O-Bahn City Access Project—can be assessed on ‘merit’, with a focus on selected Policy Areas within the Zone.

The DPA proposes to:

Amend the Desired Character and Principles of Development Control for the Park Lands Zone to actively contemplate public infrastructure projects such as the O-Bahn City Access Project.
Insert additional policy within the Park Lands Zone to support public infrastructure projects.

Amend the 'non-complying' list in the Park Lands Zone to enable the construction of public infrastructure as a 'merit' form of development in the following selected Policy Areas:

- Golf Links Policy Area 16
- River Torrens East Policy Area 18
- Botanic Park Policy Area 19
- Rundle and Rymill Parks Policy Area 20
- River Torrens West Policy Area 24.

Amend the Desired Character for the Park Lands Zone and the Rundle and Rymill Parks Policy Area 20 to actively contemplate future transport infrastructure including a tunnel and pedestrian footbridges.

Amend the Desired Character and Principles of Development Control of the following Policy Areas to provide a more supportive planning policy framework for development associated with an improved O-Bahn City Access Route:

- River Torrens East Policy Area 18
- Botanic Park Policy Area 19
- Rundle and Rymill Parks Policy Area 20.

Code: Select all

http://www.sa.gov.au/topics/housing-property-and-land/local-government/development-plans/amendments-to-development-plans-proposed-by-the-minister/park-lands-zone-amendment

[photohiker]

The O-bahn changes are worthwhile and the end result looks like a zero sum game for the parklands. Even though I'm not able to use the O-bahn, I'm all for improvements in public transport. Pity the O-bahn network or light rail/tram network was not spread across Adelaide.

[Zone-5]

The O-bahn changes are worthwhile and the end result looks like a zero sum game for the parklands.

Reality check:

MULLIGAN – QUESTION RE PARKLANDS AND OBAHN PROJECT Pt 1 10.37

First question of the evening
Mr Mulligan, you mentioned the OBahn project. Minster Rau’s ominous Parkland’s zone amendment to the DPA doesn’t give you the power to take Rymill or Rundle Park for your OBahn project.
It will take a special Act of Parliament.
When will you introduce that Bill to the Parliament and will you call it the Mulligan theft of Rymill and Rundle Park Bill, to be known by the short name as Mulligan’s Folly?

Mulligan:
I’m privy to your assertion and it doesn’t require legislation.
The current planning framework provides for an independent assessment of the OBahn project by the Development Assessment Commission.
There also is a further consultation process, which is part of tha
And we would encourage that and in fact the Development Assessment Commission will encourage people to make their views known there so they can make an unbiased, independent decision about the merits of this project and whether it should be delivered.
And you are probably aware that I have worked very closely with the Adelaide City Council and with residents, particularly in the East End to make sure that we are delivering not just the best possible transport outcome, particularly for the people who live in the North Eastern suburbs who use OBahn services from around and particularly the 3 major interchanges.
But we are doing this in respect of the Parklands and delivering what we need to do as a capital city and that is move as many people into our city and back out again at the end of the day as quickly and efficiently as possible.

QU Minister, with respect, you haven’t answered my question

Mulligan – Yes I Have

Qu – You don’t own the Parklands. How would you acquire the parklands?

Mulligan – I’m sorry, you asked if I needed a piece of legislation
QU – No I didn’t - I told you that you needed one.
M – And I pointed out to you that you are incorrect
Q – How would you acquire the land?
MC - There are other people here who want to ask questions
Q - I want my question answered - you don’t own the land – to do that you will need legislation called Mulligan’s Folly.


END

Question to Mulligan re Legislative Council Select Committee 01/09/2015

Minister- The other question is that, if, as the lady over here said that if it is a fait accompli that the OBahn project is going to proceed, and you said that it is going to start in late December of this year, -

Mulligan – well should we receive a planning consent from the Development Assessment Commission

Question – well then, what relevance does the current Legislative Council Committee that is currently reviewing the OBahn project, have on the process that this is going through?

Mulligan – Well, look, I don’t mean to be disparaging about their efforts, but for these projects we have 2 standing Parliamentary Committees that consider these projects.

We have what is called the Public Works Committee – so every time a Government Agency has to spend more that $4 million dollars on any project, the Parliament’s Public Works Committee considers it , and every time that we have to rezone land for any purpose, the Parliament’s Environment Resources and Development Committee considers it.

So part of this project involves rezoning some land from one purpose to another purpose to enable it to take the OBahn Project.

So those 2 committees are considering or will be considering this project.

So when the Upper House Select Committee - before we made announcements to refinements to the plan was announced – well it is important for those members of the Legislative Council to have a platform, to have their say.

I am sure that there will some people who will want to go and present their views, but those 2 other Parliamentary Committees are what will be considering it and providing their decisions to the Parliament, and then we’ve got the independent Development Assessment Commission which judges this development on its merits.

There is a public consultation process as part of that.

Are both sides of politics on the committee?

The Development Assessment Commission are independent of the planning exercise.

...this current state government are nothing more that common thieves and criminals!

[photohiker]

Adelaide has a dearth of effective public transport. Anything that improves O-Bahn access into and out of the CBD is worthwhile, especially considering this is just moving the parklands about.

It still looks like a zero sum game.

[vicrev]

Australia has been sold off for years,we have done nothing about it,ask the Government, every thing is for sale, pity Canberra & all it's braindead pollies wasn't put up for sale......

[photohiker]

Except this isn't a sell off.

The government is closing a road and creating a new access route for the O-Bahn busway into the city, taking buses off congested main access roads into the city. So we lose a road to parklands and lose some parkland to a busway. Zero Sum Game.

[South_Aussie_Hiker]

Agree completely photo hiker.

[walk2wineries]

Here's hoping - I'm an Obahn user and fan. The festival theatre has a lot going for it - better acoustics, better seating and much bigger stage than the SydneyOperaHouse. But.... I don't often get lost in the bush, but navigating the *&%$#! plaza to find the box office or theatre entry from the Riverbank carpark or the railway station gets me every time. Something needs to be done there!!!!

[Zone-5]

Yes, but why spend $160,000,000 of our tax money just to reduce a bus trip by only 2 minutes?

I can think of cheaper ways to improve Adelaide's public transport system...
...the first way is to make politicians actually use public transport, only then we would have the best (money can buy) system in the world!